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James Page

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Although no longer directly involved with the IET myself I'd like to spread the word that a draft update of the PV Code of Practice has been published, ostensibly to be brought in line with this year's changes to BS7671. That said I see no reason why they need to be identical - after all the CoP is slightly ‘less mandatory’ than BS7671, the latter focusing on safety rather than broader quality issues.

Installers and customers are woefully underrepresented in the groups writing these codes of practice and if possible should comment on the draft, if they have a view. It is debatable whether there are enough changes needed to warrant a revision right now, but if there is to be one it is also an opportunity to remove any superfluous text or excessive regulation, especially now that compliance is a requirement for MCS projects. (It never seemed right to me that standards that are supposed to be voluntary often become less so, and yet don't attract the scrutiny that regulations should.)

As an example one section that might deserve another look is the ‘Earth Fault Alarm.’ [page 73 of the draft] On the basis that the product standard for inverters (the title given in the document is incorrect, by the way) requires a remote earth fault alarm feature, this has been taken to imply that it must be implemented in all installations. This surely extends the remit of the product standard to system design and use. In social housing PV systems it is often the case that the tennants’ internet is intentionally not used by the solar provider, and there may not always be mobile coverage, even if remote monitoring is desirable. Moreover, transformerless inverters are anyway required to shut down in the event of an earth fault - so the need for the alarm is then much less. This needs to be reflected in the document, I feel.

Finally, now that the CoP is almost a regulation it should also be free, or at the very least an online version of the mandatory (blue text) parts should be.
 
Can't actually remember reading the CoP, or at least not for many years.

One thing that is a consideration for me, is the not putting solar systems on RCDs, and certainly not sharing an RCD with any other circuit. I have found some inverters 'chatter' the AC relays on start up and shut down in a way that can trip some RCDs. There is basically not a lot gained by having solar supply on an RCD except where essential such as a TT earthing system, as most systems are retro-fitted cable runs ae usually surface, or within cavities where cabling is unlikely to suffer damage from screws, ie deeper than 50mm away from an internal surface.
 
Although no longer directly involved with the IET myself I'd like to spread the word that a draft update of the PV Code of Practice has been published, ostensibly to be brought in line with this year's changes to BS7671. That said I see no reason why they need to be identical - after all the CoP is slightly ‘less mandatory’ than BS7671, the latter focusing on safety rather than broader quality issues.

Installers and customers are woefully underrepresented in the groups writing these codes of practice and if possible should comment on the draft, if they have a view. It is debatable whether there are enough changes needed to warrant a revision right now, but if there is to be one it is also an opportunity to remove any superfluous text or excessive regulation, especially now that compliance is a requirement for MCS projects. (It never seemed right to me that standards that are supposed to be voluntary often become less so, and yet don't attract the scrutiny that regulations should.)

As an example one section that might deserve another look is the ‘Earth Fault Alarm.’ [page 73 of the draft] On the basis that the product standard for inverters (the title given in the document is incorrect, by the way) requires a remote earth fault alarm feature, this has been taken to imply that it must be implemented in all installations. This surely extends the remit of the product standard to system design and use. In social housing PV systems it is often the case that the tennants’ internet is intentionally not used by the solar provider, and there may not always be mobile coverage, even if remote monitoring is desirable. Moreover, transformerless inverters are anyway required to shut down in the event of an earth fault - so the need for the alarm is then much less. This needs to be reflected in the document, I feel.

Finally, now that the CoP is almost a regulation it should also be free, or at the very least an online version of the mandatory (blue text) parts should be.
How can something be "less mandatory" than something else that isn't mandatory ?
Both things you quote are non mandatory, you are trying to make it seem as though they are mandatory.
Please explain why you feel the need to do this,?
 
How can something be "less mandatory" than something else that isn't mandatory ?
Both things you quote are non mandatory, you are trying to make it seem as though they are mandatory.
Please explain why you feel the need to do this,?
That is the key point. Neither are always mandatory, but both are in certain circumstances. eg the BS is mandatory for domestic if you want to use Part P, or if a business customer wants it (often the case.) The CoP is mandatory if you are MCS, ie all your installs have to be MCS. Many elec suppliers require MCS for smart export, so many customers require MCS, and so it goes on...
Perhaps it is splitting hairs as to which is more mandatory than the other, but the point is they can, now, be, hence the need for greater scrutiny and opinions to be heard. Be interested on you views on the rest of the post?
 
That is the key point. Neither are always mandatory, but both are in certain circumstances. eg the BS is mandatory for domestic if you want to use Part P, or if a business customer wants it (often the case.) The CoP is mandatory if you are MCS, ie all your installs have to be MCS. Many elec suppliers require MCS for smart export, so many customers require MCS, and so it goes on...
Perhaps it is splitting hairs as to which is more mandatory than the other, but the point is they can, now, be, hence the need for greater scrutiny and opinions to be heard. Be interested on you views on the rest of the post?
BS7671 is NOT and NEVER has been mandatory, even part P doesn't make it mandatory,
Just why do certain people (like yourself) keep repeating false information,?
Oh, I'm loving the "less mandatory" thing, if something actually is mandatory, there can be no less (or more) mandatory than another mandatory document.
Anyhow, what have you got to back up your misleading information that a CoP or BS7671 is mandatory,?
Not much I'd imagine as neither of them are mandatory.
You don't have to comply with BS7671 btw to be part P compliant, it is only one way of achieving compliance, so it's not mandatory.
 
. Be interested on you views on the rest of the post?
When someone starts of by telling me lies or trying to mislead then I generally take the rest of what they are saying as BS too, either that or they are too ignorant of the actual facts to be believable with the rest of their information
 
Ok not mandatory but usually we need to comply if we want the business, as the customer often requires it. Especially commercial customers. And re the cop MCS states it's a requirement in their PV standard. You can find it on the mcs website.

So the effect is much same . Hence my other comments in the blog.
 
Ok not mandatory but usually we need to comply if we want the business, as the customer often requires it. Especially commercial customers. And re the cop MCS states it's a requirement in their PV standard. You can find it on the mcs website.

So the effect is much same . Hence my other comments in the blog.
A requirement,
And
Much the same
is a far cry from mandatory, that sort of statement is plain and simple scaremongering, the sort of thing we have come to expect from NICEIC and the rest of the scams, as well as uninformed people.
It would be nice if the plain and simple facts were adhered to.
You are not likely to find the usual bunch of gullible 5ww here, who think that plastic fuseboards are illegal and it has to be changed to a metal consumer unit, because that's the law now. :eek:
 
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