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Thanks. Everybody. I know it has been difficult but i do appreciate the time you have taken with me. :Applaud

OK. Which currently installed UK methods have a neutral that is not connected to Earth by a common connection?

I agree. However i came here to get knowledge so i was in a position to have a conversation with another person without relying on the gibberish that electricians were providing on the internet. Since i have perservered here i have been able to work out for myself what i can rely upon and what...

I was asking for a fairly simple explanation for a typical functioning mains system. I said at some point that the earth and the neutral were effectively the same thing and said many posters were labouring the flow of current via earth. My view, since i started this thread, is that all a...

It is 50 cycles rather than 50 half cycles

Evidently the subject is sufficiently complicated that many electrically qualified people do not understand what appear to be simple electrical principles. Your comment is totally unjustified

I am surprised that you are directing this at me. Some of the other replies made on this thread show a general lack of understanding from people who say they are qualified. I came here to learn something. Evidently i also know something too.

The beginning idea of the thread was to resolve the nature of the neutral and find out why we get shocked by a live so that unquestionably I know the answer. My theory about the shock pathway going via air seems to have been debunked, but i was still wanting to know why the live was hot In my...

The concept is as you suggest. Direct current is a single direction of current flow where the polarity of for example a battery is constant, even if the voltage produced by the battery is variable. Therefore if you connect a speaker with the appropriate in series resistance, the speaker makes...

It is called alternating current.

What does the expression mean? Electricity has no knowledge of the resistances thru which it flows. If there is a potential difference then there will be *many* current flows proportional to the impedance/resistance, wherever it is experienced. It can only be correct to say most electricity...

Electricity does not take the path of least resistance. Unless the mains circuit is so heavily loaded that the voltage falls to a very low voltage, a dangerous voltage is always available to enable a lethal current to flow thru your body via the various supplied routes back to the source of...

Thanks for the clarification, I am not sure the point was made earlier although several people said that considerable danger could originate because of the neutral. I have at times been refering to the neutral as the so called neutral. It seems to me that it is only a properly created...

The fact is there is no difference of substance that i am aware of between the UK house i had and my nz house as it is now connected. The External metal earth pole was only recently connected because after being away i was required to get a certificate of compliance before reconnection. I...

When you said this i was somewhat taken aback that my memory could be so faulty - even though it is 20 years since I was in the UK. I was not however talking about the earth being connected to the metal cladding of the consumer unit but rather the earth being connected to the external metal...

haha! It seems my faulty memory and experiences in strange countries is creating a heap of confusion for me and most of the people i encounter! Thanks to all who are helping me come to grips with this so far

I have homes in NZ and Finland and it seemed easier to say i was in NZ I am from the UK. My mother and father spoke only English and I hardly speak any Finnish I have no formal electrical training and I am asking these questions in the dummies section of this forum As a point of interest my...

I am not sure what you are saying. You seem to be mixing up voltage with current or you are using some kind of trade talk i am unfamiliar with?

Sorry i messed up those last paragraphs mixing live and neutral :-( It should be: Therefore since your house changes in equal amounts with respect to neutral and they are bonded together. there can never be a significant potential difference experienced, because live is isolated from the...

As far as i can see so far we are all agreeing apart from me believing the circuit with live was created via the moist air. Where i am confused/lacking knowledge is the nature of neutral when connected to earth. My understanding is that neutral/earth wires have no potential difference meaning...