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    Average wage in maintenance??

    I read it he wanting to go S/E as maintenance electrician. However, many places I know, now expect the shift electricians to work with minimal supervision. If he working shifts, the more highly skilled and knowledgeable electrical engineer will be working days. So as a shift electrician he...
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    Average wage in maintenance??

    I agree with Sidewinder, but would also add DC motors and controllers. As they still used in some industries and are more common than you may have been lead to believe (we use 450ADC motors). Think of AC motors like petrol engines (high torque at high speeds), and DC motors like diesel engines...
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    Garden power regulations

    Since it clearly states in 1.1 (b) above that it does apply. Define a small or large installation. Since I worked in some large installations and they all use BS4343 outlets, not 13A outlets (i.e. Weetabix & Pedigree Petfoods in Melton Mowbray) and they are large sites. I think you are just...
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    Garden power regulations

    The OSG is part of the regulations, as it tell you how to comply. And in turn the IET Regs tell how to comply with the EAWR Regs. It a fulse presumption the IET Reg only for domestic use. Industrial power distribution systems MUST comply also. Only 'Charted Electrical Engineers' whom a...
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    Average wage in maintenance??

    What is your Qualifications? Do you know all the electrical regulations that apply to industrial work (i.e. BS7671:2018, control wiring codes EN60204-1, alphanumeric device identification, IEC/ISO81346 & IEC60027, etc.) or can you write programs & diagnose PC & PLC problems? If not, I suggest...
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    Garden power regulations

    I refer you back to the Onsite Guide (18th Edition), Appendix H, page 187, H2 & page 188, Table H2.1 that clearly states requirements for final Radial & Ring circuits specifically using socket-outlets to BS1363. Again, it the floor area the socket-outlets serve that precludes them from...
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    Garden power regulations

    Why?
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    Garden power regulations

    I never said it covered HV! And yes there a section for listing any deviations. However, I've yet to see anyone list 13A socket rind main in factories on it. If you ignoring this aspect of the BS7671. Does that mean you ignoring all of it, or you just treating it like a pick and mix when it...
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    Twin Mains supply to double socket socket

    If you listing no departures, it just goes to show you don't understand BS7671. Read Appendix 15, page 505, item (iv). Where you get your qualifications from, copied off the internet?
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    Twin Mains supply to double socket socket

    You technically correct. My comments are aimed at the " lesser engineers" as you say, and the 'one man in a van' and 'maintenance electricians'. Who know no better and install 13A in factories without accompanying correct paperwork. I seen some horrendous installs with disasters outcomes...
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    Twin Mains supply to double socket socket

    Exactly, and since all building contracts state ALL works must be done to BS. And seeing as the Regs is a BS. All building must legally comply. However, if you think the IET Regs is only guidance and you don’t need to follow them. Does that mean you completely ignore them? So you don’t...
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    Garden power regulations

    Look in the Appendix as I said. And yes, every factory you been in with socket outlets BS1363 are wrong. To comply with the H&S act, you must comply with the electrical Regs. Only a 'Chartered Electrical Engineer' can overrule the Regs. In my experience, most of the 13A socket outlets are...
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    Twin Mains supply to double socket socket

    Oh dear! You do think a lot of yourself with your tagline. It basically says it all really, you take risks, which is not good for someone whose mistakes can kill and destroy property. It seems I’m not the only one who dyslexic. If you read my post properly, I stated that it an advantage when...
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    Twin Mains supply to double socket socket

    You are completely missing the point by focusing on a single notice. Yes it states that, but since it is required that builds must conform to BS. And the Regs are a BS. Then you must obey them. People who nit-pick over one small detail, clearly cannot see the bigger picture. All regulations...
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    Twin Mains supply to double socket socket

    And you have not stated where it says NOT to twist together either. It is all about good workmanship, which clearly you don't seem to appreciate. I been in the trade all my life, and retired as senior electric engineer for an international company. If I didn't know what I was talking about, I...
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    Garden power regulations

    Are you saying that the outer solid strands around a concentric cable does not offer mechanical protection? If so, what is the point of the outer strands? When they could just used a 2c unarmoured cable. The whole point of concentric cable is to provide both mechanical and earth protection in...
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    Garden power regulations

    It is 100 square metres (10m x 10m), NOT 100 metre square (100m x 100m). Get the terminology correct. As for you question, the regulation that applies is 433.1.204 and since it somewhat technical for the uninitiated. Appendix 15 of the 18th edition explains how to comply. It states that floor...
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    Garden power regulations

    To answer the question. 13A BS1363 socket outlets designed solely for use in offices or domestic. They not allowed for use in factories or workshops by the IEE/IET Regulations. Simply due to restrictions of the size of floor area this type of circuit allowed to serve. That is floor Area...
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    Garden power regulations

    The PEN is the armouring. Have you never seen a concentric cable. Yes you correct about where it splits, but you get the point. I was using the term meter as a generalisation for the meter box. You just being picky. Was that all you could find to criticise?
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    Twin Mains supply to double socket socket

    If written into a buildings contract, it becomes law. As all electrical work within that building must comply with said Regs. It also how you comply with the 'Electricity at Work Regulations 1989'. The only people who allowed to override the Regs is a charted Electrical Engineer. Is that you?
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