2391 benefits?

[jdes]

Hey,

i'm an out of work qualified spark and just done my 17th Edidtion update and now thinking of doing my 2391 T&I (I'm not apart of any competent persons scheme). The main reason for doing this 2391 course was to hopefully improve my chances of getting a job which is proving to be a nightmare, a lot of companies are requesting that applicants have the 2391 T&I.

asides from becoming more employable what will this qualification allow me to do? say for example i do work that needs to be notified would i be eligable to test my own work and the certificate be accepted? or could i even do this without the 2391??

I've had a brief look on the forum but i'd like to be really clear on this subject as much as possible, so any info would be lovely.

cheers.

 

[spinlondon]

Obviously the 2391 will come in use when applying for work. It will also allow you to apply for approved electrician with the JIB.

As for the Part P schemes, I am not sure, but I believe it is required with some only if you wish to conduct PIRs.

Some LABCs are allowing non Part P registered electricians reduced notification fees if they produce their qualifications some require 2391 for this.

 

[sparkyork]

as spin says, and to go fully approved with niccy you also need 2391

 

[green-hornet]

Any qualifications gained would help with future employment.That goes without saying.

I would only employ some one who if did not come from personal recomendation, could prove their competance to me. However I have found that if your face or aptitude does not fit with the current workforce, you normally do not last long.

My advise would be to gain the qualification, it gives prospective employers an idea of your abilities.

Take your certs to your LABC and you may be able to sign off your own work without the need to join a scam provider.

 

[sparkyork]

Any qualifications gained would help with future employment.That goes without saying.I would only employ some one who if did not come from personal recomendation, could prove their competance to me. However I have found that if your face or aptitude does not fit with the current workforce, you normally do not last long.

My advise would be to gain the qualification, it gives prospective employers an idea of your abilities.

Take your certs to your LABC and you may be able to sign off your own work without the need to join a scam provider.

this makes me mad this bit! how some people can send there certs in and not have to pay fees or join a scheme provider, should be one rule and one rule only

 

[steptoe]

this makes me mad this bit! how some people can send there certs in and not have to pay fees or join a scheme provider, should be one rule and one rule only

why?

why should I have to join a scam provider or pay a fee to prove I am competent?

maybe you feel unable to prove your ability other than to someone who is taking your money (therefore unlikely to refuse you).

me, I know my work meets the required standard and therefore I do my jobs and let BC come and test,(at their expense of course).

dont cost me a penny to do notifiable work.

 

[Andy™]

If LABC were to allow me to send them completed certs for free, i probably wouldnt bother joining a scam. but arranging that would probably be a little awkward with me working in 5 different council area's

 

[sparkyork]

why?why should I have to join a scam provider or pay a fee to prove I am competent?

maybe you feel unable to prove your ability other than to someone who is taking your money (therefore unlikely to refuse you).

me, I know my work meets the required standard and therefore I do my jobs and let BC come and test,(at their expense of course).

dont cost me a penny to do notifiable work.

all i mean is why should i have to pay fees like many others and theres some that dont, my local council wont except certs as proof etc so you either pay them top dollar or you go with a scam provider, should be one rule for everbody, you can either proove your abilities or you cant, ive got all the proper certs you'd expect, 2360 1+2, am2, 16th/17th ed, 2391 as well as di certs etc.

its not a gripe at you or any other person, cos id do the same, it should simply be the same for everbody when it isnt then it will always cause some peeps to be unhappy, i.e me lol

 

[green-hornet]

This is where education comes in force.

Any competant person can carry out electrical work in the home.

Any competant person can test and issue certificates.

Its just that some authorities do not know this and choose to only accept those from a scheme provider.

Every notifiable job I do costs me

 

[sparkyork]

yeah thats it, it just gets my back up that my labc dont accept this and i have to pay to be with a scheme provider or else pay megger bucks for the jobs i do, the councils should all have the operating standards if one council accepts certs etc as proof of competency then they all should. just another thing i hate about this country! lol

 

[steptoe]

you need to take your council/LABC to task over this, maybe even threaten legal action(but be perpared to go all the way if need be), and they will soon realise they are acting illegally by MAKING you be a member of a scheme unless they have an actual directive that you must be a member they are breaking the law by refusing your certs.

you can challenge any local council directive/motion via your local councillor, Im sure at tis time they will be more than happy to try and support local businesses/votes.

 

[sparkyork]

mmm interesting point there, allthogh to be honest i do like been with the nic anyway, its just the principal of it all ! lol

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

you need to take your council/LABC to task over this, maybe even threaten legal action(but be perpared to go all the way if need be), and they will soon realise they are acting illegally by MAKING you be a member of a scheme unless they have an actual directive that you must be a member they are breaking the law by refusing your certs.you can challenge any local council directive/motion via your local councillor, Im sure at tis time they will be more than happy to try and support local businesses/votes.

NO LABC is making anyone be a member of a scheme!

I think you will find they are just following the guidance of Approved document P page 11 sections a, b, or c about the various acceptable methods for certification of notifiable work.

EVEN non competent DIY'ers can do their electrics and get the council to test & pass to a suitable level at their discretion see paragraph 1.25.

The amount of inspection & testing needed is for the building control to decide based on the nature and extent of the electrical work.

The big gripe comes with the fact that different LABC's can ALL have different scales for charging.

I think you will find the costs & charges are detailed somewhere on your LABC's website!

The bottom line is that the electrical aspect of building control is no different to any other aspect of building control work..

Just as its no different to the fact that some LABC's have more stringent rules for thermal insulation, or number or thickness of roof joist, or what you can stick on the outside of the building. etc.. etc..

just ask any builder who works between more than one LABC!

 

[steptoe]

my point is you do NOT have to pay LABC to test/certify your work.

its like the old days when/if the DNO tested your work and found it to be of substandard then they would charge you accordingly.

if LABC test your work and find it to be of/= to your certs then legally they have NO right to charge you for the testing of it.

take them to the small claims court if you need to, it will soon put a stop to it.

I have threatened them with it twice and the charges have been dropped both times.

 

[NozSpark]

You still pay the notification fee though Steps???

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

You still pay the notification fee though Steps???

Indeed...

or hopefully in some occasions the customer has as part of some other building works.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Hey,i'm an out of work qualified spark and just done my 17th Edidtion update and now thinking of doing my 2391 T&I (I'm not apart of any competent persons scheme). The main reason for doing this 2391 course was to hopefully improve my chances of getting a job which is proving to be a nightmare, a lot of companies are requesting that applicants have the 2391 T&I.

asides from becoming more employable what will this qualification allow me to do? say for example i do work that needs to be notified would i be eligable to test my own work and the certificate be accepted? or could i even do this without the 2391??

I've had a brief look on the forum but i'd like to be really clear on this subject as much as possible, so any info would be lovely.

cheers.

Sorry there dawsirn,

welcome to the forumGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness Drink

Getting back to your point..

personally if you have the opportunity & the funds to do 2391

then do it..

I think others have said..

ALL qualifications are of some benefit..

and IMHO it does give another level of experience and knowledge to complement your existing skills!

 

[NozSpark]

I used to do exactly the same thing as Specs,,,

Notify, do the job, call the LABC to inspect (NOT TEST) and then fax over my EIC...

It is much cheaper in the long run to join a scheme provider if you mainly do domestic work though!!!

 

[jdes]

cheers, and I dont even mind it veering off topic a bit as its all so bloody confusing. any info is welcome.

 

[green-hornet]

cheers, and I dont even mind it veering off topic a bit as its all so bloody confusing. any info is welcome.

This tends to happen from time to time but even off topic there is some usefull information.

To concurr with others if you can afford it then do the 2391.

Most employers like myself given the choice would employ some one with it in preference to some one without it.

I would know that you have experiance of testing and would not require my presence on a job just to do a continuity test for example.

(like what has happened before!!!)