Broken ceiling light fitting

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Heeey there, my ceiling light fitting is broken. It seems an old one, and I guess I need a replacement.

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Parts as shown above. Anyway cant seem to find anywhere that sells em.

 
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Heeey there, my ceiling light fitting is broken. It seems an old one, and I guess I need a replacement.
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Parts as shown above. Anyway cant seem to find anywhere that sells em.
Hi

I pressume this is this the sort of lamp holder that has a thread on the back and scews onto the main fitting?

you can most certainly get them as KME shows...

also I think even some of the B&Q depots have them.

You may somtimes need a thread adaptor / reducer bit to interface between the new brass holder and the light fitting?

I did a re-furb a couple of years back on a load of brass wall & ceiling lights.

I also re-threaded new wire through each lamp holder cuz sometimes if they have come off the wires behind have been twisted to death & thier insulation cracks & perishes?

so double check the wires before connecting a new lamp hoilder....

it may be good if you can get an insulation resistance test done on the fitting itself before reconnecting it to the main house wiring?

:) :)

 

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OK so I got one of those from the shop. First thing I notice is theres 3 connectors on it, presumably for an earth...anyway dont have one, so just left it. Now the other two are labelled; one says N, the other L. Presumably live and neutral if school physics lessons serves me well. I have two wires, a red and a black. I guessed red was live, and black neutral. I had to cut back the wires a bit, i revealed the core bit, twisted it, put it into the relevant holes and screwed them in place.

But still no joy. Now I know its a live circuit (or at least it was before I tested it) because I put this little electrical tester thing on it and it basically blew it up. I guess I should have turned it off first huh! Anyway that tripped the fuse, so I flipped that back on and had a go at putting on the new fitting as described above...

So what now? I'm baffled. I don't see why it wont work.

 
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OK so I got one of those from the shop. First thing I notice is theres 3 connectors on it, presumably for an earth...anyway dont have one, so just left it. Now the other two are labelled; one says N, the other L. Presumably live and neutral if school physics lessons serves me well. I have two wires, a red and a black. I guessed red was live, and black neutral. I had to cut back the wires a bit, i revealed the core bit, twisted it, put it into the relevant holes and screwed them in place.But still no joy. Now I know its a live circuit (or at least it was before I tested it) because I put this little electrical tester thing on it and it basically blew it up. I guess I should have turned it off first huh! Anyway that tripped the fuse, so I flipped that back on and had a go at putting on the new fitting as described above...

So what now? I'm baffled. I don't see why it wont work.
Ivory:

No offence intended m8, but you need a sparx in. The fitting has an earth connection for a good reason. If you haven`t got an earth, chances are your house wiring won`t be up to scratch.

I would STRONGLY suggest having a periodic inspection of the wiring done. The other thing which concerns me here is that you "flipped" the fuse. This suggests a fairly new consumer unit; yet your wiring to your lights appears unearthed. With a class 1 fitting (exposed metal), the installer should have picked that up when the CU was installed.

I`m sorry this isn`t more helpful, but IMHO you NEED to get your wiring checked professionally.

KME

 
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OK so I got one of those from the shop. First thing I notice is theres 3 connectors on it, presumably for an earth...anyway dont have one, so just left it. Now the other two are labelled; one says N, the other L. Presumably live and neutral if school physics lessons serves me well. I have two wires, a red and a black. I guessed red was live, and black neutral. I had to cut back the wires a bit, i revealed the core bit, twisted it, put it into the relevant holes and screwed them in place.But still no joy. Now I know its a live circuit (or at least it was before I tested it) because I put this little electrical tester thing on it and it basically blew it up. I guess I should have turned it off first huh! Anyway that tripped the fuse, so I flipped that back on and had a go at putting on the new fitting as described above...

So what now? I'm baffled. I don't see why it wont work.
Your assumptions of the connections sound basically correct..

but..

Do you mean the metal holder screws onto another metal part of the light fitting, and...

1] there is no earth at the lampholder but there is an earth further up the fitting?

2] there is no earth at the lampholder OR anywhere on the fitting?

If 1 we may be ok.... but..

if 2 the fitting is to old and obsolete to be reconnected safely... unless you can thread an earth connection onto it?

[otherwise go straight to KME suggestion...

get a proper spark to check it out!!]

I still suggest it should be insulation resitance tested before reconnecting to the main house wiring.

Can we have a picture of the rest of the light??

It may have popped the fuse cuz other parts of the wires have exposed bits shorting out.

If in doubt stop & get local help...

If you do it wrong risks include electric shock.. & starting a fire!

and none of us want that :( :(

 

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Ivory:No offence intended m8, but you need a sparx in. The fitting has an earth connection for a good reason. If you haven`t got an earth, chances are your house wiring won`t be up to scratch.

I would STRONGLY suggest having a periodic inspection of the wiring done. The other thing which concerns me here is that you "flipped" the fuse. This suggests a fairly new consumer unit; yet your wiring to your lights appears unearthed. With a class 1 fitting (exposed metal), the installer should have picked that up when the CU was installed.

I`m sorry this isn`t more helpful, but IMHO you NEED to get your wiring checked professionally.

KME
I think you're right. Theres alot of dodgy electrics in this house...time to get the old bank account prepd then. Cheers mate.

 
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