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Hi. Happy new year to all!

I am a fully qualified electrician, and I am looking to expand my knowledge and services this year.

I am self employed and basically jut do power and lighting, telephone and tv aerials.

However, I would like to learn CCTV. I am looking to install some cameras on my own property anyway, so this is the perfect project. Obviously I am going to have to school myself due to my circumstances.

I need much help though as my knowledge is basic at best!

I am not really bothered about cost!

What cameras would you recommend, I would like a great picture, night vision and also accessible via internet. I have read somewhere that 700tvl or something is good picture quality?

Also what is a good DVR and can u link this to a tv or do u need a monitor?

Also do u use shotgun cable, Coax and power or something else?

Are they any places you recommend I can read up as I have not got a clue on set up etc?

Thanks

Craig

 
If it helps?

There are lot of options / choices with regards to CCTV, here is my view.

Cameras

The more "lines" a CCTV camera has the better the picture will be, most are around 420 which is acceptable but is not the best quality, better still is 700 / 720 lines and you can also now get 1000 lines. Bear in mind the more lines a camera has the more it will cost. (But the better the picture quality)

The best type of CCTV systems use a camera and “auto iris lens” to allow for light changes, but these are big and as such are expensive, which is where modern electronics has stepped in and you can get cameras with infra red LED’s (For night vision) for less than  £15

A thing to consider is the lens, in general the lower the number (Its focal length) the wider angle the camera can see. Being able to see wide may sound good but the wider you can see the smaller things become. So if you want to see for example a persons face a wide angle lens will let you see it, but a narrow angle lens will let you see more detail and so, who it is. You can also get cameras that are “vari-focal” which means you can alter it from wide angle to narrow view.

The majority of cameras used require “shotgun cable” in that they are a cross between a coax and a strait pair. But each end has its own set of plugs to allow for connection to the camera and power supply.

“Modern CCTV” really is a case of plug and play, not even any connections to be made, just a few things to plug together. But this can be a drawback particularly where the power supplies are concerned in that each camera often comes with its own power supply.  That’s not too bad until you have 4+ cameras because you need 4+ sockets and space to mount them (Or a 4 way block) I suggest you buy a single plug in power supply and a power lead splitter (It makes life easier, but its your choice)

Pan Tilt & Zoom cameras do exist like you see in the movies, but they all suffer one problem, if you are looking to the left, you can not see what is happening on the right, so although two or 3 fixed cameras may cost more, they are less hassle and look everywhere at the same time. You also need some one to sit watching them in order to move them. (The more professional versions can be set up to “do a tour”)

These are both "eyeball cameras" but the one on  the right has a manual varifocal lens, which is why it is bigger.

Monitor

You can use a TV to view the picture but ideally you should have a dedicated TV, even for a home CCTV set up its best to have a dedicated TV.

Not many years ago you had to buy a dedicated CCTV monitor, but now you can buy a relatively cheap TV that will directly accept the output of a DVR. The reason you should have a dedicated TV is that although you can use your (modern) normal TV as the CCTV monitor you can't see anything if you are watching TV.  For example you are watching a film on TV and your take away arrives you have to change TV channels to see who is at the door, where as if you have a dedicated TV (Used for the CCTV) you can glance at it and see that some one is coming down your path.

DVR (Digital Video Recorder)

If you have just one camera you don't need a DVR, but modern DVR's also split the final picture so that (for example) you can have 4 cameras showing on 1 monitor. (Some go up to 16)

There are a whole variety of DVRs some can be connected directly to the internet to allow remote viewing of the cameras, some also have an option to plug in a memory stick and copy a part / all of the recorded video, some have a DVD burner, it depends what you want to achieve. (Also how much you want to spend)

The hardest part has to be deciding on the cable runs and actually installing the cables.

Suggestion

I would suggest the best thing for you to do is to buy some CCTV kit and install it on your own house and see how you go

You should also be aware that if you install a camera that can see the public the system it is supposed to be registered with your local council. Also you should have a notice on display saying who is responsible for the system

 
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You should also be aware that if you install a camera that can see the public the system it is supposed to be registered with your local council. Also you should have a notice on display saying who is responsible for the system...
I was under the impression that this was not required for private dwellings, only places of business.

 
I was under the impression that this was not required for private dwellings, only places of business.
domestic areas of surveillance is nto required to be notified BUT if you overlolok other peoples property you will need to ask their permmisson first before aiming thew cameras as thats their property not yoursm, ie with me ive already got neighobours permissions to overlook their driveways (in writing)

 
You are not wrong. Sorry I did not make myself clear on that point.

If you have CCTV on your own house that is fine and the council do not need to know about it, but if its on your own home and watching all the public roads around it, then it would be best to tell them. I was looking at it from the point of view that hoppy wants to take it as a business and install CCTV in shops etc (Even if its only a local corner shop)

 
Data Protection & invasion of privacy are some issues with recording other peoples movements etc, However taking a photograph or video in a public place is not an offence. (tourists/holidaymakers do it frequently with their cameras & phone images). Re-using and publishing the data images or videos you have captured can cause legal pitfalls.

2008 guidance suggests; 

The use of cameras for limited household purposes is exempt from the DPA. This applies where an

individual uses CCTV to protect their home from burglary, even if the camera overlooks the street

or other areas near their home. Images captured for recreational purposes, such as with a mobile

phone, digital camera or camcorder, are also exempt.
Further information

http://www.ico.org.uk/~/media/documents/library/Data_Protection/Detailed_specialist_guides/ICO_CCTVFINAL_2301.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/204775/Surveillance_Camera_Code_of_Practice_WEB.pdf

Doc H.

 
Thanks for the replies!

Richard thank you very much for your post, that has answered a lot of my questions and is most helpful! I really appreciate your input an time. Thanks again!

 
Swann kit is readily available, however its not the best kit in the world, and I would not touch the kit shown in the link you gave with a barge pole.

The advert says "swann 8 channel CCTV security system with 1TB + 4 cameras"

If you read it too fast you may think you get 8 cameras, after all its an "8 channel CCTV security system"

You can get 4 cameras like those shown for less than £60, yes they will work, yes its almost better than nothing, but you will be better off buying the parts individually, that way you can get better resolution cameras and a better DVR

 
Swann kit is readily available, however its not the best kit in the world, and I would not touch the kit shown in the link you gave with a barge pole.

The advert says "swann 8 channel CCTV security system with 1TB + 4 cameras"

If you read it too fast you may think you get 8 cameras, after all its an "8 channel CCTV security system"

You can get 4 cameras like those shown for less than £60, yes they will work, yes its almost better than nothing, but you will be better off buying the parts individually, that way you can get better resolution cameras and a better DVR
Cheers. No, I knew you only got four cameras with it. Where's a good supplier for CCTV kit then at reasonable prices of course?

 
I just ordered some more crimp on BNCs from company A, and they sent screw on BNCs. I am waiting to see what they will do about it.

Company B also sell BNC connectors, but I don't like the cost, but I do like their 100v line kit

My point being it depends on what you want and who is selling it at what price. All I can suggest is decide what you want and use your favourite search engine to find it at a price you like.

 
I am no expert on CCTV. I used to do a lot for a bespoke London installer many years ago but so much has changed i cant rely on that anymore. Recently i have been dabbling with the cheapest stuff i can find on Ebay and having a play with it. For some of my  longstanding regular customers i have offered a cheaper install honestly telling them its unknown kit with no warranty & most have taken this up

Nearly all the DVR's on the market seem to utilise the same Chinese D1, H.264 technology. I have bought off Ebay a 8 cam DVR with no memory but all ancillaries  for £50 and a 1tb sata hard drive for about the same Most Swann stuff has 250gb if your lucky. I have also tried numerous makes of cameras from different suppliers. When they arrive they have the same sticker & most came from the same address in China, figure that out ?

It seems all is going to change and i recon by the end of this year, analog will go and all cctv will be digital.

Can anyone help me, can you get reliable cctv over the net without a static IP ?

 
I am no expert on CCTV. I used to do a lot for a bespoke London installer many years ago but so much has changed i cant rely on that anymore. Recently i have been dabbling with the cheapest stuff i can find on Ebay and having a play with it. For some of my  longstanding regular customers i have offered a cheaper install honestly telling them its unknown kit with no warranty & most have taken this up

Nearly all the DVR's on the market seem to utilise the same Chinese D1, H.264 technology. I have bought off Ebay a 8 cam DVR with no memory but all ancillaries  for £50 and a 1tb sata hard drive for about the same Most Swann stuff has 250gb if your lucky. I have also tried numerous makes of cameras from different suppliers. When they arrive they have the same sticker & most came from the same address in China, figure that out ?

It seems all is going to change and i recon by the end of this year, analog will go and all cctv will be digital.

Can anyone help me, can you get reliable cctv over the net without a static IP ?
Cheers. I've had a quick look on eBay. Plenty of cheap DVR's on there inc 16 channel ones I might investigate. Will have to have words with my friendly CCTV man at work............I wonder what happens to the old ones when they upgrade? :innocent

 
............I wonder what happens to the old ones when they upgrade? :innocent
Don't hold your breath.

People don't often "Upgrade" their DVR, no need to, the only moving part that wears out can easily be replaced (Hard drive)

Just my opinion, but two smaller DVRs are better than one big one, if it fails you loose the lot, if you have 2 smaller you only loose half

 
Don't hold your breath.

People don't often "Upgrade" their DVR, no need to, the only moving part that wears out can easily be replaced (Hard drive)

Just my opinion, but two smaller DVRs are better than one big one, if it fails you loose the lot, if you have 2 smaller you only loose half
I was referring to the cameras themselves. I see many places where they upgrade the cameras for better quality ones.

 
I was referring to the cameras themselves. I see many places where they upgrade the cameras for better quality ones.
You have seen more than me then.

I Have seen it done, the places I have seen it they leave the old cameras in situ, but I haven't seen it done often, that's the thing with cctv

The customer switches it on and sees a picture, they are happy, why do I want to upgrade it? I can see all around?

 
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