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Message: <blockquote data-quote="binky" data-source="post: 558940" data-attributes="member: 490">I have a lifetimes worth of experience in  stating the bleeding obvious <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤣" title="🤣" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤣" title="🤣" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤣" title="🤣" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" />Ok, more serious note, if the downlighters are designed not to set fire to whatever ceiling material they are fitted too, which could be anything from pvc facia boards to plasterboard to wood cladding, then why would they set fire to any form of joist, web or solid. I have seen downlighters where some prat has literally holesawed through supporting timbers - not so much as a scorch mark, and those were halogen.</blockquote>