No cpc to outdoor light

[Luckyboy]

Hello all,

I've recently performed EICR at a property which has an outdoor light, it's a traditional porch type light which is basically housing a pendant inside. The metal casing is not earthed.

My question is, should it be? I know in an ideal situation yes, but there is no place to terminate a cpc... is the customer expected to fork out for another light?


P.S. the cable entering from the bottom is no longer used. The feed comes in via a grometted hole directly from the back.

 

[binky]

That looks like a conversion to electric.

 

[Murdoch]

Unless it has a class 2 mark then its a C2

BTW there are plastic replacements in wholesalers ......

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

The metal casing is not earthed.

My question is, should it be? I know in an ideal situation yes, but there is no place to terminate a cpc...

A suitable size drill and a bolt or self tapper could create a suitable point to create a CPC termination point..
Or could the supply be changed to 12v?

You need to decide how dangerous you consider it to be..?

The customer doesn't have to fork out for anything..
they could choose not to use it at all if you consider it an immediate danger?

Bottom line..
How good is your insurance if you consider it a serious electric shock risk
-vs-
Customers expense of a new lamp or other improvement to make it safer?

These are the decisions you are paid to make if you are competent to do EICR's
Ideal situation is not a choice..
The choice is are you prepared to sign the declaration stating the installation is satisfactory?

(There are numerous cases of prosecutions following serious injury where persons have done work and/or inspection & testing that proved to be dangerous.)

 

[binky]

Unless it has a class 2 mark then its a C2

BTW there are plastic replacements in wholesalers ......

Really looks like an old lamp someone has chucked a cable and lamp holder into. So question is does a class 2 lamp holder, and flex comply?

 

[Murdoch]

Really looks like an old lamp someone has chucked a cable and lamp holder into. So question is does a class 2 lamp holder, and flex comply?

It’s an EICR

code it as C2, submit EICR and invoice and walk away.

 

[Fleeting]

The cable enters through a protected hole, the lampholder is all insulated, does it need an earth. No.

 

[binky]

It’s an EICR

code it as C2, submit EICR and invoice and walk away.

have a look at half of the lights from Ikea, they are no different

 

[Gian]

A suitable size drill and a bolt or self tapper could create a suitable point to create a CPC termination point..
Or could the supply be changed to 12v?

You need to decide how dangerous you consider it to be..?

The customer doesn't have to fork out for anything..
they could choose not to use it at all if you consider it an immediate danger?

Bottom line..
How good is your insurance if you consider it a serious electric shock risk
-vs-
Customers expense of a new lamp or other improvement to make it safer?

These are the decisions you are paid to make if you are competent to do EICR's
Ideal situation is not a choice..
The choice is are you prepared to sign the declaration stating the installation is satisfactory?

(There are numerous cases of prosecutions following serious injury where persons have done work and/or inspection & testing that proved to be dangerous.)

Good reply .

 

[Fleeting]

Where and how is the flexible cable connected is it concealed behind the lamp, if so it may require an earth if not it doesn't.

 

[BorisJ]

have a look at half of the lights from Ikea, they are no different

There is one big difference. The IKEA lights are marked as double insulated.

 

[binky]

There is one big difference. The IKEA lights are marked as double insulated.

Very true, but I was thinking about the actual construction of said lights.