Outside contractor PAT'ing

[M107]

Pictures taken today literaly 10 mins after a contractor had been through PAT'ing

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Wouldn't have even passed the visual if I were PAT'ing it...

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[husky2013]

OMG. did they actually even test it or did they just sling a sticker on it!?

 

[M107]

I think thety were eager to get on to the 200 IEC leads in the store room.

 

[husky2013]

i hope that the person who done this has been reported to there company etc! as that is disgusting, iv only recently done my 2377 but i make sure im very thorough and check everything starting with a visual before hand and a double check visual after iv finished testing! then i put a sticker on it!

 

[Sidewinder]

Mrs S,

I congratulate you on that, but you'll never compete like that with the sticker it regardless brigade!

They will always be cheaper so they will have the work and you being the competent conscientious one will be sat in the house wondering why you have no work!...

 

[husky2013]

i dont do it for competetion sidey, i want to go into the electrical industry and figured where is better to start off then doing my 2377, im next going in for my 17th edition, and then hopefully we will have enough work on within the business that we are sustainable enough to justify me going back to college and doing my apprenticeship through streetlighter! im 24 now so ill struggle getting an apprenticeship anywhere else let alone getting back into college!

i love learning, so its all fun to me!

 

[kerching]

One of my major clients has had the 'Patters' in. How much do you think they charged per item? Sensible answers only please... :coat

 

[Sidewinder]

i dont do it for competetion sidey, i want to go into the electrical industry and figured where is better to start off then doing my 2377, im next going in for my 17th edition, and then hopefully we will have enough work on within the business that we are sustainable enough to justify me going back to college and doing my apprenticeship through streetlighter! im 24 now so ill struggle getting an apprenticeship anywhere else let alone getting back into college!i love learning, so its all fun to me!

Mrs S,

I mean your business competitors when I say the competition.

I think I can understand your motivation and appreciate that, I was just trying to say that if you do the job right, which I am convinced you will, then your business competitors won't and thus they will undercut you, leaving you high and dry as it were!

Keep plugging away!

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One of my major clients has had the 'Patters' in. How much do you think they charged per item? Sensible answers only please... :coat

50p

 

[Badger]

49 pence :^O any higher than 49/50 p :^O

 

[NozSpark]

Probably too cheap.

I did some today @

 

[husky2013]

iv seen a firm round my neck o the woods advertising at 25p per item! it is shocking at how cheap they can do it!

i done some items for amusic studio a few weeks ago, 5 studio rooms, office, kitchen and i charged him

 

[kerching]

70 pence per item! FFS

When I do them it is

 

[Andy™]

One of my major clients has had the 'Patters' in. How much do you think they charged per item? Sensible answers only please... :coat

55p from some of them round here

they looked shocked when i said at least

 

[kme]

Had a guy `phone up yesterday:

Only available Saturday morning - sells radiograms, valve amps, TVs etc. in a local market.

Wants 15-20 items tested at a time (and might want fault find on the valve kit, `cos he doesn`t know anyone local who can do it....... ; ) he does now!)

He`s been offered 2.50 per item, and seems happy with that - I`ll know more after seeing him tomorrow.

We`ve had discussions about these wazzes before - offfering not just unsustainable pricing; but also unrealistic targets (we`ll test 800 items a day!!! Yeah :slap `course you will. Test 1, stick 10 labels........)

 

[M107]

A little more info on this crowd.........

Not their fault but they have an agreement with the customer, that if the inpecting person comes across any equipment that is turned on & he is unsure, they can just do a visual inspection...............so the customer now has these blokes running through the offices & workshops like Hussein bolt doing visuals on any PC & workshop equipment thats turned on.....

makes the pat'ing worthless in my view & have said as much to the powers that be.....got told to get back in my box & not worry about it.

But when things like this(from earlier in the year) raise their head after somebody got a nip off the light casing its hard not to put your case forward. (was told the cable terminations might have been done after pat'ing....who knows)

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I was asked to look at the kit for an accident investigation.

 

[aptsys]

Pictures taken today literaly 10 mins after a contractor had been through PAT'inghttp://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j293/gazjothomas/DSC00928.jpg

On what grounds wouldn't you pass it? It's not electrically unsafe, is SELV, and the outputs from SMPSUs are fully short circuit protected. Surely you're only testing for safety on the mains side

 

[Andy™]

On what grounds wouldn't you pass it?

just a complete guess, but maybe something to do with that bit of damage & exposed wiring? :C

 

[M107]

On what grounds wouldn't you pass it? It's not electrically unsafe, is SELV, and the outputs from SMPSUs are fully short circuit protected. Surely you're only testing for safety on the mains side

Because its the wrong colour headbang

Personaly before I undertake any electrical tests I always complete a visual inspection, this I do to find any damage to casings or missing insulation both of which may result in exposure of live parts.........

Now your starter for 10 is

would it fail because

1. Its the wrong colour.
   
2. It has a plastic earth pin on plug.
   
3. It has missing insulation on the conductors & it doent matter that the unit is selv.
   

You can pass the equipment because:

1. You dont care.
   
2. You do not know what you are doing.
   
3. You cant its failed the visual no matter that the unit is selv.
   

and the outputs from SMPSUs are fully short circuit protected

Well I can assure you the short circuit protection in the smpu isnt working .... or infact isnt there at all............or doesnt latch O/C during a fault........because the radio was on before testing & still works after testing

But what do I know.

 

[Riggy]

OK, I saw this the other day but decided I couldn't be bothered, but yet again anyone with the gumption to not jump on the band wagon gets vilified.

I would pass the power supply, but record the SELV cable damage on the report.

I don't understand the comments about wrong colour, or plastic earth pin, or the relevance of the wrong polarity lighting plug to this thread.

But, as you say, maybe it's me!

 

[kme]

Riggy, I think the references to plassie earth pins & colours were the same type of red herring choices you get on a "multiple guess" NVQ - i.e. not relevant at all?

I would NOT pass the power supply - the insulation has failed.

All the ins. around the TX is the same age; if one end has gone (either through age or whatever), chances are t`other end isn`t that good..........

I wouldn`t put the tester on it to find out - the enclosure of the conductors has failed. Why should it pass?

GX5.3 downlights are "only 12V"; fed from a SELV supply (usually) - I`ve seen a fire in the secondary wiring, caused by s/c, where the TX output protection failed.

But then again, maybe I don`t know what I`m talking about either.

Recently, there seems to have been a lot of "thread baiting"......Where someone jumps onto an existing thread, and puts the opposite point to everyone else, then acts surprised when nobody agrees - I`m beginning to wonder if its done on purpose, to cause issues?

A rather disgruntled KME