'Pay for' EV charge point

[binky]

There's going to be one helluva lot of dinosaur fuel burned up building all this new infra-structure..

How many years will that take to pay back?

:C

Not seen any figures for that, but it is my major argument for going to Hydrogen.

You make some very good points, to which te answer is probably EV only are good for local journeys only. With that being the cse, you have to ask yourself how much could be done by electric bicycle / scooter, which is  a massively better eco footprint compared to any car. The other big issue is that your 15year old car is more environmentaly friendly than any EV, coz keeping an old vehicle working is better than building a new one with batteries. Prsoanlly, if I was in the market for a new vehicle, I would be looking at hybrid, so you can keep a decent range but with vastly better fuel economy. 

 

[Geoff1946]

I'm convinced that EVs as we currently understand them will be short lived before something more practical comes along. 

A bit like CFLs, which were promoted as being the  mutts nuts for a while, until LEDs were developed.

UK doesn't have the generation capacity for half of the electrification which is being suggested, and there doesn't seem to be much interest in providing it, so I think that itself will drive future technology development.

 

[binky]

UK doesn't have the generation capacity for half of the electrification which is being suggested, and there doesn't seem to be much interest in providing it, so I think that itself will drive future technology development.

Not only do we not really have the capacity, the cost of building the infrastructure and loss of earnings due to digging up roads and pavements will be appalling! This is why I favour Hydrogen. However, as a stop gap for those with a driveway that can install a charge point without issues, it's a quick fix to a problem, and worth doing.  It's fair to say splitting water into hydrogen is energy intensive so chucking green energy down cables makes more sense as a technology, but, I just don't see it as the future. Also Hydrogen offers a solution to airtravel that batteries just can't! 

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

 Prsoanlly, if I was in the market for a new vehicle, I would be looking at hybrid, so you can keep a decent range but with vastly better fuel economy. 

I think some form of hybrid has got to be a better solution than a pure EV...

I guess most reasonable sized family cars can do 500+ miles on a single tank of fuel

and IMHO whatever the fuel type, a car needs to be able to match that range between re-fuelling stops..

I think something that allows use of batteries for urban driving, where congestion, pollution and population are the big factors..

with the ability to use other fuel source on longer journeys, or those occasions where it is not practical or convenient to wait for a recharge..

is a much better solution...

BUT, there are then statistics saying that hybrid vehicles aren't actually that green anyway..

with stuff like carrying all the extra weight to accommodate two fuel sources!

(bit like the old, don't drive with an empty roof-rack on your car.)

Hence hybrids are on the phasing-out list as well!

A key measure in my books is..

Most people spend many hours at work and have less hours leisure time..

So when family / friends do have time off to socialise..

The last thing they will want, is to waste time waiting for the car to recharge..

when they would rather be having a pub-lunch, or walking a costal path, or climbing hills, sailing, surfing, horse riding, wandering round a NT garden, etc.. etc..

Just listen to the worries about extra delays at airports with proposed queueing verifying vaccine passports..

Generally people don't like, delays or hanging around on journeys..

and there's going to be hoards of board kids at service stations who don't want to sit still for 25mins reading a book while the family car is recharged..

Which is going to make service stations even less pleasant..

Bit like trapped in an airport lounge with the obnoxious kids waiting to board your flight and hoping they don't have a seat near you!!!!

Guinness  

 

[Geoff1946]

I think something that allows use of batteries for urban driving, where congestion, pollution and population are the big factors..

with the ability to use other fuel source on longer journeys, or those occasions where it is not practical or convenient to wait for a recharge..

is a much better solution...

But you are making the mistake of using common sense. 

That went out the window when politicians got involved. They have all been indoctrinated with green propaganda at the time when their common sense was removed.

 

[binky]

BUT, there are then statistics saying that hybrid vehicles aren't actually that green anyway..

with stuff like carrying all the extra weight to accommodate two fuel sources!

(bit like the old, don't drive with an empty roof-rack on your car.)

Most people spend many hours at work and have less hours leisure time..

So when family / friends do have time off to socialise..

The last thing they will want, is to waste time waiting for the car to recharge..

when they would rather be having a pub-lunch, or walking a costal path, or climbing hills, sailing, surfing, horse riding, wandering round a NT garden, etc.. etc..

Guinness

Hybrids have much smaller batteries, with range of about 20-30 miles on electric only. They work in the same way as F1 cars whereby the leccy is used to boost acceleration thus saving petrol. The engine itself is basically just a generator to power an electric motor. One of my customers bought pure EV to save the complications of hybrid, as it removes all the 'moving parts' so should be more reliable lomg term. He had just returned from Scotland in his EV and reckoned the journey went smoothly, espeically once in Scotland where charge points have been installed all over the place.

Ha the modern paradigm! Everyone in a hurry to save time so they can watch lettuced like Eastenders and X factor :^O . I'm with you on this, albeit I generally ony drive about 200 / 250 miles without a break on the motorways, I don't want to be forced to stop unless I really want to. I once had a motorcyle with a small petrol tank - range about 120miles. F'ing useless, to guarantee not running out of petrol, I had to stop every other motorway services to fill up. In theory I could get to the 3rd services, but the spacings aren't always even and therefore you can't take the chance.

____________________________________________________________________________________________

Post locked to prevent resurrection (again)