Periodics on change of tenency

[D Brennan]

Is this a legal requirment for the landlord when there is a change of tenents?

 

[Andy™]

no. neither is a PIR every so many years. although they do have duties to make sure the installation is safe etc

 

[Apache]

Is this a legal requirment for the landlord when there is a change of tenents?

The gas needs to be certified annually, not when the tennants change

 

[D Brennan]

no. neither is a PIR every so many years. although they do have duties to make sure the installation is safe etc

But if the landlord makes no effort is he actually doing anything wrong, i had a massive arguement with one today, but it seems i was wrong in part of the arguement, i thought they had to have it tested on change of tenency. im sure i have read it somwere that they do???

 

[D Brennan]

This is particularly important for rented property and the Landlord and Tenant Act 1985 specifically states that the landlord is to ensure the electrical installation is safe when a tenancy begins and that it is maintained in a safe condition throughout the tenancy. Many licensing authorities, public bodies, insurance companies and mortgage lenders insist upon this. It is also a requirement of the Electricity at Work Regulations that electrical systems are maintained to prevent

 

[Apache]

But if the landlord makes no effort is he actually doing anything wrong, i had a massive arguement with one today, but it seems i was wrong in part of the arguement, i thought they had to have it tested on change of tenency. im sure i have read it somwere that they do???

He's doing nothing wrong assuming they are in good condition and there is no obvious signs of damage etc. If the house has been trashed then maybe.

It's difficult winning these arguments when the other party is right

(some letting agents insist on a PIR before taking a property on)

 

[Apache]

This is particularly important for rented property and the Landlord and Tenant Act 1985 specifically states that the landlord is to ensure the electrical installation is safe when a tenancy begins and that it is maintained in a safe condition throughout the tenancy. Many licensing authorities, public bodies, insurance companies and mortgage lenders insist upon this. It is also a requirement of the Electricity at Work Regulations that electrical systems are maintained to prevent

 

[D Brennan]

He's doing nothing wrong assuming they are in good condition and there is no obvious signs of damage etc. If the house has been trashed then maybe.It's difficult winning these arguments when the other party is right

(some letting agents insist on a PIR before taking a property on)

All his houses are death traps but he says there is no legal requirment to do anything, so why shoukd i....he says#

 

[Apache]

All his houses are death traps but he says there is no legal requirment to do anything, so why shoukd i....he says#

it's on his head not yours!

 

[batty]

Point out he would be in hot water if anything where to go wrong and a visual on change of tennants is a must.

Batty

 

[D Brennan]

it's on his head not yours!

Just winds me up the ignorance, i do work for other landlords and they wont let anyone in unless a clean EIC cert or periodic is issued.

 

[D Brennan]

I think it needs to be made compulsary. He has familys in these houses an d seriously some are very very dangerous

 

[Apache]

Send him any advice in writing - signed for. Keep a copy.

 

[green-hornet]

I have had a similar problem, some landlords are just not willing to pay for any work, and if they do they would rather pay a handyman than an electrician.

There is a legal requirement placed on the landlord, and he must show that the electrical installation is safe, the normal way to have proof is by means of a pir or eic which is valid.

I do know that some insurance companies will not pay out on claims if this is not provided.

So basically they are just running the gauntlet.

If you remember a couple of years back when a few people died from co2 piosoning, the blame was passed directly to the landlord for not fulfilling his/her legal and moral duty of care.

If you feel that an installation is unsafe and have valid reasons and readings to prove this, you could always report the landlord, that is if he refuses to take your advise or does nothing knowing there is a danger.

I would not hessitate to report, my feelings are that if my actions were to save one life I did the right thing.

 

[Jono Pashley]

been in rented property where the walls are wet through with damp which keeps shorting the sockets in those rooms out. Advised that the problem was due to water ingress and that i wasnt touching anything until this had been solved as it posed a serious hazard. Told me to Fk off and that id get no more work from him. Sent him the findings in writing then informed the estate agents who deal with him. Amazes me how some people can behave when its a young familys lives at risk. Personally i wouldnt be able to sleep at night

 

[Theorysparky]

Due diligence is the key factor

http://www.letlink.co.uk/letting-factsheets/factsheets/factsheet-4---the-electrical-equipment-safety-regulations-1994.html

i do landlord checks all the time

60% are wrecks and i report every little thing thats a hazard

the agency gets a copy and so does the landlord,if its that bad it doesnt get taken on by the letting agent.

 

[Evans Electric]

For some reason I thought a PIR on change of tenancy was a legal requirement alongside the gas inspection.

Don't know where I got it from though !!

 

[green-hornet]

Due diligence is the key factorhttp://www.letlink.co.uk/letting-factsheets/factsheets/factsheet-4---the-electrical-equipment-safety-regulations-1994.html

i do landlord checks all the time

60% are wrecks and i report every little thing thats a hazard

the agency gets a copy and so does the landlord,if its that bad it doesnt get taken on by the letting agent.

It makes a lot of sense to take this approach, tell it as it is, that way we may be listened to in the future!

 

[green-hornet]

For some reason I thought a PIR on change of tenancy was a legal requirement alongside the gas inspection.Don't know where I got it from though !!

Its a misinterpretation of the regulations.

A landlord has a duty to ensure that the electrical system is suitable and safe at the time a new tennant moves in.

If the previous tennant moved out after say 3 months from the last pir and all fittings and services remain the same, it is reasonable to assume that the landlord has fulfilled his obligation and the last or most recent pir would still be valid.

However I do know some of the more professional letting agents will not take any property on their books that do not have a recent pir, its all down to liability and insurance.

 

[kme]

Deke.

It IS recommended, and fulfils the "duty of care" of the landlord for the tenant - however:

It is NOT law (same as 7671), and they can choose to take the risk; as with fire regs. I had a thread last year, r.e. a landlord who doesn`t provide ANY fire detection.

Sooner or later, something`ll happen. I can only hope no one dies as a result.

As Theo said earlier - all correspondance copied, dated and kept on file.

KME