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Hi, my friends asked me to work with him on anew venture. He has some commercial contract offers and we discussed setting up a business together to work on them. Can anyone advise on the need for being a Qualified Supervisor? Currently neither of us are registered as approved contractors but have the qualifications for that. When I rang Niceic they said the only thing I'm missing is full a nvq qualification which I'm in the process of completing a 2356-99 which will probably be about 6 months. Without that what would anyone advise about us doing commercial work? Go for approved contractor? Wait till I can get QS or is there another way? Thanks. We both have all the other qualifications except full NVQ and he has no AM2 at the minute either.
 

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If you want to be the qualified supervisor then be it? It is only a front face to meet the NICEIC for your annual assessment, if they don’t recognise you then jump through their hoops or choose a different scheme?
 

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Thanks for the replies. The potential contracts require membership so not being in isn't an option it was more the 'jumping through' hoops part I wanted to know. They've told me what they require but wondered if there was another way that people used when someone is required to oversee and sign off for the company. Seems not
 

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There are alternative routes but your qualifications must supersede their requirements. I don't have a 2391, AM2 nor NVQ3 but I am qualified to NVQ5 so my qualifications allow me to be a QS even though I am repeatedly asked to obtain qualifications to 'satisfy' their tick boxes, to this I no longer comment on.
 

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Thought as much. Sounds like my only really option is to complete my nvq section that makes me equivalent and hold off until then. Didn't really want to loose out on some of the contracts on offer in the hope they'll wait up to 6 months but cookies crumbling and all that. Thanks for the info though
 

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Whether you apply or not you should continue with your NVQ and AM2 six months will fly by.
 

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Like the rest of life seems to! I've already got the AM2 from a few years ago but fortunately decided to enroll on the nvq experienced course just before it changed. Due to covid I'd not been working on it but no time like the present. Cheers
 

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When I went for AC many years ago, I just told the NICEIC that I wanted to upgrade from DI. But that was about 10 years ago, and I think they have tightened requirements since then.
 

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Thanks for the replies. The potential contracts require membership so not being in isn't an option it was more the 'jumping through' hoops part I wanted to know. They've told me what they require but wondered if there was another way that people used when someone is required to oversee and sign off for the company. Seems not
Thought as much. Sounds like my only really option is to complete my nvq section that makes me equivalent and hold off until then. Didn't really want to loose out on some of the contracts on offer in the hope they'll wait up to 6 months but cookies crumbling and all that. Thanks for the info though

Other points to remember are..
Irrespective of your exact current qualifications position.... And your prospective market place...

Basic rule you need to keep in mind is, even if you were up and ready and fully qualified QS etc..
there is NO guarantee you would get any specific work that you think you may get...

I've lost count of the number of customers promising to get back in touch about some future planed alterations..
Prospective contracts are NOT actual jobs of work until you start working on site..
(Prospective customers can be fickle and change their minds.)

So its better to have a slight change of mental perspective and be thinking, as well as the potential customers you know about..
there will also be many more you don't yet know about...

So crack on with getting all the certificates and admin & paperwork sorted so that as soon as you are ready you can hit the ground running...

Electricity is a green energy product being pushed and promoted left right & centre at the moment...
Potential new customers are unlike to be drying up or in short supply.
 

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Cheers for the replies. I'm going through my experienced worker module profile now so I can get that done and dusted. The aim is to work in conjunction with our domestic jobs so we arent reliant on any 'promises' of work from any bigger contract until we get going. I asked the niceic about the shift from DI to QS and because they no longer accept my city &guilds level 3 its the nvq section I need to be eligible.
 

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I my self missed out last year , I had planned just to fit ev chargers done and got up-to-date with training but the CPC changed the goal posts and now require anyone who wants to join a CPC scheme to have the nvq which leads to am2 . Previously they would have taken people on with just experience and certain quals like 18th inspection and testing ect. All changed now. Do I think for the better ,no. A 2 year course is a long time. It may have an impact on this industry in a few years time .only my views.
 

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I my self missed out last year , I had planned just to fit ev chargers done and got up-to-date with training but the CPC changed the goal posts and now require anyone who wants to join a CPC scheme to have the nvq which leads to am2 . Previously they would have taken people on with just experience and certain quals like 18th inspection and testing ect. All changed now. Do I think for the better ,no. A 2 year course is a long time. It may have an impact on this industry in a few years time .only my views.
Couldn't agree more. I've got everything else needed except the last section of the nvq so I'm doing the experienced worker route as I've got an am2 but not the last few units. Don't see why it can't be done in tandem to an application but apparantly not. Cheers for adding your thoughts to my query
 

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no requirement to be registered with anyone. all that is required is that you are competant...
What about notifiable works were do you stand about installs other then paying large fees for someone to check your works from your local council/ inspectors so my view is how you ment to do work?
If you was self employed why wouldn’t you be associated with a governing body?

If your not yet nvq3 qualified or gave your 2391 or other if you’ve got the cash there’s course company’s out there that do a courses to fully qualify you with your testing in bout 18 month
I can’t see how they do it without a proper apprentiship.

There’s not just the nic out there, there’s malice or elsca to join
 

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the question was aimed at commercial where notifiable works doesnt apply,,,

and i am self employed... and its been years since i was registered with one,,,,
 
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