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After a recent comment on another thread, about always doing a spec for a job so there's no misunderstanding over what's been priced for, is it just me, or does anyone else get fed up with alterations, even if they are paid for?

It was November 2017 and I started a rewire on a 3 bed semi, it was having a full rip out, basically being gutted and everything refitted, from the floors to the roof. I'd gone through everything meticulously, given the client all the options, he'd made his decisions, a price had been agreed and work commenced. Then it all started to go horribly wrong, due to the time taken to complete the job, largely caused by  the incompetence of his 'builder', the guy had too much time to think.

All cables in then one morning we get, "I've been thinking, could we have the sockets in the back bedroom done like those in the front, hotel style, oh and the light switches". What we'd agreed in the front bedroom was a socket and light switch at either side of the bed at a height just above bedside cabinet height (hotel style), it was an extra, but it got done, then he decided he wanted downlights, not just in the lounge as agreed, but right through the house, more work, this went on and on each day something changed. we'd told him that his stud wall built to create a sort of vestibule, inside the hall was too small, he said it wasn't! After it had been built, cabled, plastered and we were near to completion, he agreed it was too small, could the wall just be pushed back 6 feet? Just be pushed back! There were 16 cables in this wall, they'd all either need lengthening, or replacing, and he thought it was a simple case of just pushing the wall back! On and on it went, and it wasn't just with the electrics, I ended up fitting 2 bathrooms out after the plumber walked out, the roofer walked off, everybody was sick of the changes, the only one who seemed happy was the so called builder, he took on the work of the roofer and the joiner( he made a mess of doing both), Eventually 11 months later I snapped and told the client that there'd be no more alterations whatsoever, I did have other work to do. Ok the bloke paid up for all the extra's, there was never an issue, even when I stung him over one alteration, he just kept changing his mind. Finally it was finished, he thanked me and paid up quite happily, then he dropped the bombshell, he was buying another property and wanted me to do all the work on that one too!

How I kept a straight face when I told him I was going working away for 6 months I'll never know.

Does anyone else ever get to that point where you lose interest in the money and just want to get away from a job? 

 
Don't assume a "specification" prevents errors.

I have mentioned this one before, but for those that have not heard it. If you were wiring for a loft conversion and the architects drawings had a cupboard in the new loft bedroom with a little square box in it labelled "Boiler" what wiring would you put in for it?

 
Does anyone else ever get to that point where you lose interest in the money and just want to get away from a job?
Yes  definitely .    Its usually when a woman is calling the shots , nothing against women but  very few understand that once you've done a job  you don't want to do it all over again . 

Not many can read the drawing   so  on a domestic project , we often did quite large ones ,  you could put a days work in only to find that , the following day , the lady of the house has been on the evening  and wants everything you did , moved  because ..." Now I can see it properly I want it different "  

The last one we had was one of my mate's jobs , for this Greek bloke who moved to the  area where all the millionaire footballers  live  here .    

Trouble was he wanted to be in charge every day instead of appointing a project manager ,  plus his wife & daughter came every other day and altered everything .

We were there forever , altering stuff , changing this ,  re- doing that  ,  bloody walk-in wardrobes were bigger than my house .   

A typical clock up was , you'd escaped to get on with new work , he'd phone to say I must have all the electrics finished on the upststairs  , you have to come back   immediately .      So with great sighs of despair we'd wrap on this job , turn up there the next day ........ and low & behold  .... the  staircase has been removed  and its swarming with specialist contractors  installing  a £ million  new one  , and we , of course , can't get upstairs  so its yet another wasted trip . 

My mate lost it in the end and we walked .        

 
Don't assume a "specification" prevents errors.

I have mentioned this one before, but for those that have not heard it. If you were wiring for a loft conversion and the architects drawings had a cupboard in the new loft bedroom with a little square box in it labelled "Boiler" what wiring would you put in for it?


I would be asking the builder / owner what type of boiler it is!

 
Don't assume a "specification" prevents errors.

I have mentioned this one before, but for those that have not heard it. If you were wiring for a loft conversion and the architects drawings had a cupboard in the new loft bedroom with a little square box in it labelled "Boiler" what wiring would you put in for it?


I’m thinking probably a 10mm, Just in case it’s an electric boiler. !!

 
Specifications and reality are often miles apart. I got a cable schedule that specified 150m of 120mm² 3c SWA to feed a TP+N board ? ? ? ?

I phoned the drawing office and was told we have ordered the cable, get it put in! The lads on the cable gang knew it was wrong, but they dragged it in non the less. They were getting paid by the metre for it.

I was sat laughing in the background when the warm brown smelly stuff hit the fan.

 
The "boiler" turned out to be a direct, unvented, dual immersion heater hot water tank.

Never considered the possibility of it being a 10KW electric boiler.

 
Personally I wouldn't have done anything until someone confirmed what was required  TBH .

It could have meant a gas combi boiler ,  an immersion heater , or 12KW  heating unit .    

 
Rarely .............. I've got good sense of idiot developers / home owners.........


After a recent comment on another thread, about always doing a spec for a job so there's no misunderstanding over what's been priced for, is it just me, or does anyone else get fed up with alterations, even if they are paid for?......

…..Does anyone else ever get to that point where you lose interest in the money and just want to get away from a job? 


Don't assume a "specification" prevents errors.


I guess I am in the "Murdoch" camp here...………….

The reality is with a lot of domestic work it is you, (The Electrician), who needs to come up with some sort of specification, as the homeowner just has a verbal list of things to do or things they think they need....

After an initial site visit I normally write up, (e-mail or hard copy), a description of what I am going to do + the cost...

Only after the customer has accepted it, will I order any materials and do any work...

If/Or when, they mention any alterations just mention to them how much extra it will cost (hourly rate + inconvenience factor)...

which means either you make BIGGER bucks than standard work rates...  

Or Mr customer changes their mind and keep the original plan...

So either way its Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!

Guinness

 
The big reality balance is between  "A good electrician"  and  "A good businessman"......

Where a rubbish electrician who is a good businessman will often succeed more than  a good electrician who is a rubbish businessman.

There are bucket loads of electricians who are very high up their game when it comes to connecting wires and commissioning new kit...

But don't have a clue how to make money from the work they do, or manage the day to day finances of running a business....

If you can't handle customers and/or changes to a job then you are probably not living in the real world...

It's a bit like expecting the weather to be sunny just because you have some outdoor work to do.

:C

 
There are many tradesmen  like this I fear .  My neighbour over the road ,  really good carpenter and all round  kitchen fitter , plumber , tiler  etc    prefers to sub to a local  building firm  who get him doing the awkward jobs , the  " other side of the city " jobs  .  

He could be earning a load more if he concentrated on his own work  but prefers  to take the lower but regular money .

Hes the best one on that firm , albeit a subbie  and what happens when the work slows up , or Christmas approaches , he gets laid off  .

Horses for courses I guess .  

Or the ones I've mentioned before ,  sounding off in the wholesalers  .... he,s  gotta charge  £35  / hour  because he,s got  a  £28,000  car  to pay for .    

 
The big reality balance is between  "A good electrician"  and  "A good businessman"......

Where a rubbish electrician who is a good businessman will often succeed more than  a good electrician who is a rubbish businessman.

There are bucket loads of electricians who are very high up their game when it comes to connecting wires and commissioning new kit...

But don't have a clue how to make money from the work they do, or manage the day to day finances of running a business....

If you can't handle customers and/or changes to a job then you are probably not living in the real world...

It's a bit like expecting the weather to be sunny just because you have some outdoor work to do.

:C
It's not a case of not handling changes, or customers, it's just some customers have no idea of how something works, they just see a switch and it turns a light on. I think some of them have no idea that it is actually wired to something, and  it isn't as simple as just unscrewing it and sticking it somewhere else.

 
It's not a case of not handling changes, or customers, it's just some customers have no idea of how something works, they just see a switch and it turns a light on. I think some of them have no idea that it is actually wired to something, and  it isn't as simple as just unscrewing it and sticking it somewhere else.


They might not do, that's why they're paying someone to do the work for them.

 
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