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Message: <blockquote data-quote="binky" data-source="post: 557840" data-attributes="member: 490">Supply and demand, simples! <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😁" title="😁" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f601.png" />The trouble with grant systems is a shed load of paperwork, followed by slow payment for work done, ie months. So you have to be able to carry debt for months, which is difficult, but that still does not justify the overcharging for the work. Most of my profits from solar was in the vat rebates on materials, due to the tax system, that could be 3 months to land in the bank. So I used to charge enough to cover costs plus labour, and enough to put food on the table , and was significantly cheaper than bigger companies. But I've always run my business on a make enough money to earn a reasonable living basis, rather than max profits. That has worked well for me, but many others see profits as the ultimate goal. I sometimes think I should have emulated that a bit more, my main competitors are still going strong, but most of them started with far more money...</blockquote>