Anyone been refused Part P reg.?

[Evans Electric]

This cropped up the other day in conversation , Has anyone or do you know of anyone to be refused registration with a "P" providor ?

 

[batty]

My accessor says some are refused as they are not suitably qualified to join, thats British standards. They only do full scope though.

Batty

 

[Evans Electric]

Interesting that on the largest Electrician's Forum in the universe, no one knows of anyone being refused.

Mind you only 41 guys have viewed this post up to now .

 

[Apache]

Deke - I'll apply to join if you like

 

[Evans Electric]

I reckon they'd sign you up, no probs.

 

[Evans Electric]

82 Forumites have viewed now and still no one knows of a refusal. MMMmmmm!

 

[The Godfather]

82 Forumites have viewed now and still no one knows of a refusal. MMMmmmm!

It does happen, although the candidates are given every opportunity to correct any errors. But there are some with obviously dangerous assessments that can't be allowed.

Refusal is often where key safety issues are not understood, or the installation under inspection breaches basic electrical standards.

The Godfather

 

[L-E_Fault]

I've been told NAPIT refuse as many as they pass if not more.

 

[The Godfather]

I've been told NAPIT refuse as many as they pass if not more.

But by who?

Don

 

[L-E_Fault]

College lecturer who is also a NAPIT member.

 

[The Godfather]

College lecturer who is also a NAPIT member.

The Don would be interested in (actual) statistics.

The Godfather

 

[L-E_Fault]

So would the Tim.

 

[The Godfather]

So would the Tim.

The Don is amused.

The Godfather

 

[Apache]

82 Forumites have viewed now and still no one knows of a refusal. MMMmmmm!

Del, Might be one of those population quirks. We know of no-one because the members here are credible tradesmen who if they don't know something ask. The unscrupulous cowboys think they know everything.

That type aren't going to brag about being turned down?

Just a though.

 

[L-E_Fault]

Del, Might be one of those population quirks. We know of no-one because the members here are credible tradesmen who if they don't know something ask. The unscrupulous cowboys think they know everything. That type aren't going to brag about being turned down?

Just a though.

Just what I was thinking.

 

[Evans Electric]

Good point , guys. I was thinking in terms of the NICEIC having a monopoly for years then suddenly finding their captive audience diluted by the other outfits and also the other outfits requiring membership to survive.

Del.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Good point , guys. I was thinking in terms of the NICEIC having a monopoly for years then suddenly finding their captive audience diluted by the other outfits and also the other outfits requiring membership to survive.Del.

NICEIC monopoly????

remember this thread...

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4431

BSI 108 YEARS (1901)

ECA 108 YEARS (1901)

ELECSA (date ?) {part of ECA}

NAPIT 17 YEARS (1992)

NICEIC 53 YEARS (1956)

Considering ECA & BSI both been around for double the time that NICEIC have...

and Part P introduced 2005, & there had to be MORE THAN ONE scheme provider for contractors to choose who they enrol with...

not sure how "Monopoly for years" can be an appropriate phrase? :| ?:|

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Del, Might be one of those population quirks. We know of no-one because the members here are credible tradesmen who if they don't know something ask. The unscrupulous cowboys think they know everything. That type aren't going to brag about being turned down?

Just a though.

I think this is indeed the pivotal point......

Really crap sparks would not bother trying to enrol, or log on to forums like this.. they would just carry on doing their work not notifying or certifying anything.

A good competent spark will just go ahead get enrolled, pass assessments, (cuz to a competent person it is not too hard), and just get on with work notify & cert as appropriate.

A slightly poor spark who enrols, if they are within a gnats whisker of meeting the standards would generally be given appropriate advise and opportunity to improve their standards and just get their final acceptance date a bit latter than originally planed.. (probs have to pay for a second assessment visit tho! ).

I doubt a person who didn't think they had a cat in hells chance of complying with assessment, would stump up around

 

[Evans Electric]

What I meant by a monopoly was that since the late sixties , local councils, NHS, architects, government , MOD, Police , fire & ambulance etc, would demand NICEIC membership for inclusion on their lists. Still do in fact. ECA, NAPITT ,BSI would have got you nowhere to be honest, perhaps ECA may have done .

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

What I meant by a monopoly was that since the late sixties , local councils, NHS, architects, government , MOD, Police , fire & ambulance etc, would demand NICEIC membership for inclusion on their lists. Still do in fact. ECA, NAPITT ,BSI would have got you nowhere to be honest, perhaps ECA may have done .

This is actually free market choice then... not monopoly...

Just because various organisations or bodies prefer one supplier of a service over another supplier of a similar service, doesn't mean there has been a monopoly or restriction of other bodies offering their services..

Much as you could not say during certain periods of history that Ford had a monopoly over fleet vehicle purchases or private vehicle purchases...

although they may well have ranked within the top sales figures for various of their models...

Cortina / Escort / Fiesta / Sierra / Mondeo / Focus etc.. etc...

one could have argued (possibly the Vauxhall or Rover rep etc..) that Ford have had a monopoly over the "reps" car market......

But actualy it was down to "Free market choice"! :|

Much as with various organisations have "for whatever reason" chosen to prefer NIC over other market choices! ?:|