Bathroom Downlights

[Power Ball]

Hi Guys

I have been asked to swap 3 downlights in a bathroom for three that are fire rated !!! I thought we only need to use IP Rated for a domestic upstairs bathroom

Hole size is 95mm which have a big screw in downlighter spotlamp at present but cant find anything this size in a fire rated and IP rated... any ideas/ advice.

Thanks

Chas

 

[jl-heating]

i am sure they do a large collar that fits in the hole which takes it down to the smaller size.. it was in cef.. wether it affects the rating i dont know.

 

[wozz]

You need to use IP rated wherever the zones dictate you do when it comes to any location containing a bath or shower.

Ive used the downlighter converters before in this situation, drilled them out to fit a JCC IP/fire rated fitting in them, was very hard drilling them out , took some time to do without wrecking the converter.

 

[Power Ball]

I have seen these in my local wholesalers but he says that the ones they have are not IP rated but again as this is only a reduction collar i thought only the actual downlight needed to be IP rated.... so very confused now

Chas

 

[Power Ball]

You need to use IP rated wherever the zones dictate you do when it comes to any location containing a bath or shower.Ive used the downlighter converters before in this situation, drilled them out to fit a JCC IP/fire rated fitting in them, was very hard drilling them out , took some time to do without wrecking the converter.

I know i need IP rated but customer has been told they need to be fire rated as well as IP rated..

Thanks

 

[wozz]

By JCC IP/fire rated, i meant fire and IP rated fittings. sorry for not making that clear shudnt have used /

 

[Power Ball]

Can someone clarify if they have to be Fire rated as well as IP rated as i say i thought they only need be IP rated,then at least i know what i am looking for as a starter for 10

Thanks

 

[Evans Electric]

When we do bathrooms the fittings over the bath or shower are the sealed IP ones the rest are standard ( but always use fire rated for every where) . I would guess the converter discs are not fire rated ( don't really know) so the proper way ,I suppose , is to repair the big holes and re-drill next to them . Or perhaps they would overboard the ceiling.

deke

 

[Power Ball]

When we do bathrooms the fittings over the bath or shower are the sealed IP ones the rest are standard ( but always use fire rated for every where) . I would guess the converter discs are not fire rated ( don't really know) so the proper way ,I suppose , is to repair the big holes and re-drill next to them . Or perhaps they would overboard the ceiling. deke

These downlights are in zone 2 and 3 so i would have used perhaps IP20 but can not find anything that has a hole dia 95mm the ones that are in at present were fitted 15 years ago and a big screww in spot bulbs so looking for something to fit in wth the regs but the fact another electrician has told him they need to be fire and IP rated ?

Cheers

Chas

 

[batty]

Power Ball Bell lighting do an IP rated converter have used one once. You are not going to get a fire rated one but by fitting a converter it is not going to make the installation any worse than what it was before. Customer has two options get ceiling fixed and have the latest fitting or fit a converter.

Batty

http://www.belllighting.co.uk/fittings.html

 

[Evans Electric]

I don't think they need to be IP rated in those zones ( without checking) but he,s correct with the fire rated. IMHO. JCC,s are in the region of 65mm and 75mm dia holes. I think the holes have to be repaired with plasterboard to regain the fire rating of the ceiling , then re-drill for new lights.

Deke

 

[batty]

I don't think they need to be IP rated in those zones ( without checking) but he,s correct with the fire rated. IMHO. JCC,s are in the region of 65mm and 75mm dia holes. I think the holes have to be repaired with plasterboard to regain the fire rating of the ceiling , then re-drill for new lights.Deke

Why do they need to be fire rated.

 

[NozSpark]

These downlights are in zone 2 and 3 so i would have used perhaps IP20 but can not find anything that has a hole dia 95mm the ones that are in at present were fitted 15 years ago and a big screww in spot bulbs so looking for something to fit in wth the regs but the fact another electrician has told him they need to be fire and IP rated ? Cheers

Chas

There is no zone 3 now and as zone 2 extends to 2.25m from the floor (above the bath/shower), most 8 foot ceilings are above this....

However there is a building reg that states that you should not allow moisture to enter any loft space from a room below.. so they will need to be IP rated no matter what.. fire rated ones are only needed if there is a habitable room above!! ---- that's what my BC say:| :|

:coat :coat

 

[Power Ball]

There is no zone 3 now and as zone 2 extends to 2.25m from the floor (above the bath/shower), most 8 foot ceilings are above this....However there is a building reg that states that you should not allow moisture to enter any loft space from a room below.. so they will need to be IP rated no matter what.. fire rated ones are only needed if there is a habitable room above!! ---- that's what my BC say:| :|

:coat :coat

Thanks for this.. this was my understanding, if it had been a downstairs bathroom/shower room I can see the need for the fire rated idea as well as IP rated in zone 1

OH !! my head hurts all this working out....

Guiness Drink

 

[batty]

There is no zone 3 now and as zone 2 extends to 2.25m from the floor (above the bath/shower), most 8 foot ceilings are above this....However there is a building reg that states that you should not allow moisture to enter any loft space from a room below.. so they will need to be IP rated no matter what.. fire rated ones are only needed if there is a habitable room above!! ---- that's what my BC say:| :|

:coat :coat

But bc are not involved so I would just install the convertors unless customer wants to pay to have ceiling fixed.

Batty

 

[Power Ball]

Power Ball Bell lighting do an IP rated converter have used one once. You are not going to get a fire rated one but by fitting a converter it is not going to make the installation any worse than what it was before. Customer has two options get ceiling fixed and have the latest fitting or fit a converter.Batty

http://www.belllighting.co.uk/fittings.html

Thanks Batty

I have had a look at these and think they will do the job. I will tell the customer he does not need Fire rated and go for the IP rated ones bell lighting show

Thanks again

Chas

 

[batty]

Thanks BattyI have had a look at these and think they will do the job. I will tell the customer he does not need Fire rated and go for the IP rated ones bell lighting show

Thanks again

Chas

Chas

I used them on a job and they give a good light due to the glass cover thingy.

Hows Dave these days?

Batty

 

[Power Ball]

Not sure if you are getting me mixed up as i cant think who you mean by Dave ?? sorry

 

[Apache]

Not sure if you are getting me mixed up as i cant think who you mean by Dave ?? sorry

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[batty]

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