Thanks guys. I love Bender from Futurama. My 3/4" emt (electrical metallic tubing) is an ELCTRUNITE brand (it's old). 1/2" rigid conduit can be bent with a 3/4" emt bender. I'm racking my brain, because I cannot figure all the shrinkages, etc. I need someone to hold my hand, and tell me where to mark the rigid, which is where I will position the ARROW mark on the bender. I need to make four 90 deg bends, to form a square. To quote Monty Python "Electric donkey bottom biter, and animal food trough wiper". My Gray family name is asociated with Sutherland, and I can wear Stewart or Blackwatch tartan. My kilt is MoD Blackwatch.