Change shower like 4 like - RCD needed?

[m4tty]

Hi,

If your changing a shower like for like and no RCD is fitted, is it necessary to have RCD protection?

As your not making it any less unsafe?

Cheers

I think the answer will be yes but does everyone agree

 

[Lurch]

Personally, I would say if it never needed RCD protection in the first place then it would be fine, e.g. a socket on a ring that never needed an RCD but does under the 17th. As the shower required RCD protection in the first place I wouldn;t fit\alter\repair\replace one without fitting an RCD, regardless of what the regs say on the subject.

 

[batty]

Manufacturers specify RCD in circuit so unless you want to risk nothing will ever go wrong you can chance your luck. Personally I have to much to loose and would always fit an RCD.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Hi,If your changing a shower like for like and no RCD is fitted, is it necessary to have RCD protection?

As your not making it any less unsafe?

Cheers

I think the answer will be yes but does everyone agree

ALL equipment, (even like for like), should be installed in accordance with the manufactures instructions..

REG 134.1.1 Page 19.

What do the manufactures instructions say?

I think you will find it is something like..

To be installed with 'xyz' size cable and circuit breaker,

AND a double pole isolation switch with 3mm contact gap

AND 30ma RCD!

thats what 99.999999999999999999999% tend to say nowadays.

 

[fletchflash]

i would defo try to talk them into having it rcd protected, but you can change it like for like. any accesories you buy will say they have to be installed to current regs, but its not really realisitic to update the circuit everytime you change an accesory.

 

[Lurch]

i would defo try to talk them into having it rcd protected, but you can change it like for like. any accesories you buy will say they have to be installed to current regs, but its not really realisitic to update the circuit everytime you change an accesory.

But I can;t recall ever fitting a shower that didn;t say it required RCD protection so it should have an RCD regardless. This is why I said swapping a socket, fine as it was installed to current regulations. The shower without an RCD wasn;t.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

i would defo try to talk them into having it rcd protected, but you can change it like for like. any accesories you buy will say they have to be installed to current regs, but its not really realisitic to update the circuit everytime you change an accesory.

If it is feasible and realistic to put a new shower... (say

 

[Evans Electric]

Shower ........ RCD..........end of story .

 

[sparkytim]

Some manufactures only "recommended" RCD protection, others specified it as a requirement.

I would recommend update to current standard but I don't think you could insist on it.

Its the plumbers swopping 7kw on 4mm for a 10.5 I worry about!

 

[NozSpark]

Some manufactures only "recommended" RCD protection, others specified it as a requirement.I would recommend update to current standard but I don't think you could insist on it.

Its the plumbers swopping 7kw on 4mm for a 10.5 I worry about!

Of course you can insist on it...

If they will not allow me to do a job properly then I just won't do it!

IMO showers should be RCD protected (even on replacement)

 

[batty]

Of course you can insist on it...If they will not allow me to do a job properly then I just won't do it!

IMO showers should be RCD protected (even on replacement)

And it will be you that gets it in the neck if something goes wrong.