Commercial buildings and emg lights/fire detection

[welchyboy]

Does it come down to the owner of the business/premises to ensure there is adequate emg lighting and fire detection

if you were under taking a significant amount of work at a pemises which was without either and the owner was adamant it was not to be installed does it come down to his responsibility

 

[Sidewinder]

Very grey area, you MUST be sure that you provide the advice to discharge your professional responsibility.

After that, then YES unless you are contracted otherwise than an electrical installer it is the clients baby.

The duty holder of the premises is responsible under the RRFSO for the fire safety of the premises.

The RRFSO is statute law.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

You cannot force anyone to do anything they dont want to do....

They may well say.. "I have another contractor who does my Emg lights etc.."

BUT..

To cover my own backside I would most probably provide a written report advising the customer they should address the problem ASAP....

Dont think HSE would be to impressed with not safety services at a place of work? :C

you can only do what you are contracted to do!

 

[Evans Electric]

It certainly does Welchy , and its not your problem if thats what you're thinking , you are the installer and thats it .

You can advise your mate not to smoke ,but its up to him at the end of the day.

Welcome to the Forum .

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And hows that for service , three answers in short order .

 

[Sidewinder]

Ahh,

Welcome I thought I had seen posts by you previously, but I am incorrect.

Please, stick around we don't bite!!!

 

[septiclecky]

With the fire regulations now changed it is down the property owner to carry out a fire risk assessment for their premises to whether what detection/emergency lighting requirements and not the local fire brigade as what used to happen in days gone by.

 

[kerching]

Ahh,Welcome I thought I had seen posts by you previously, but I am incorrect.

Please, stick around we don't bite!!!

Some have been known to give a nasty suck and/or scowl. I have a client who, for the past 5 years, I have been telling needs Em lights and Fire Alarm. After each time I mention the fact I write them a letter stating the case, they sign it and rreturn it to me. It is known as a #1 S.A.C.L. *

* SACL = Standard 4rse Covering Letter

 

[welchyboy]

Ha thank you everyone for the fast responses, i just needed to be clear on this as in a similiar case from above i have completed alot of works at a certain premises and have repeatedly mentioned the requirements for emg lgt and fire detection in such a building but have allways been given the brush off, i wanted to ensure i wasnt under an obligation to install it, i couldnt see how i could be, but was thinking i may have been expected to include emg lgt in any lighting designs/install i have done

Thanks anyway maybe i should get something in writing, i also have my app contractor assessment coming up and didnt want to get pulled over it!

 

[kme]

have repeatedly mentioned the requirements for emg lgt and fire detection in such a building

Mentioned? As in verbally?

Thanks anyway maybe i should get something in writing, i also have my app contractor assessment coming up and didnt want to get pulled over it!

AH! Assume it WAS verbal.

You need to have it written. IF ( when ) they end up in court, you need a "paper trail" to PROVE you had informed them, and excised your "duty of care" - failure to ensure could leave you open to a charge of neglect, IMO.

KME

 

[welchyboy]

Mentioned? As in verbally?AH! Assume it WAS verbal.

You need to have it written. IF ( when ) they end up in court, you need a "paper trail" to PROVE you had informed them, and excised your "duty of care" - failure to ensure could leave you open to a charge of neglect, IMO.

KME

Yes all verbal comments im afraid

wow! so its does come down to my responsibility to inform them of their responsibility to provide this in their own building, in writing and get it signed, even though i dont undertake installations of commercial fire alarm systems?

the laws an ass

surely its on their shoulders to find out the safety precautions they need to have in place before they provide a workplace for their employees?

not argueing with you KME and i appreciate your imput, just trying to look at it from a different angle

will have to start putting a standard letter together for this sort of thing, is that what you have in place?

 

[kme]

Pretty much, yes. If something is way outside your scope of works, or remit, you may be alright, as your argument is that you have no knowledge of the necessary regulations. However, if it is something you could reasonably be expected to be aware of....................................

KME

 

[welchyboy]

Yes i get the idea will be more on the ball next time thanks