domestic electrical installer help question!!

[andy2townsend]

I'm looking to become a domestic installer and was wondering what this would involve. Ie would i be qualified to get to wires behind plaster-silly question I know but im changing jobs and dont want jump head first. how do you get to the wires behind walls etc

 

[Lurch]

Erm, I think we're running before we can walk here. I'm assuming someone has told you sparkies are loaded and electrical work is great so you leapt on the bandwagon?

The reality is the industry is full of inexperienced out of work electricians, and the decent guys are being pushed out. So really running before you can walk might not be a bad idea as it seems to be the way to do it these days.

 

[Apache]

how do you get to the wires behind walls etc

Not sure what your question is? Welcome to the forum anyways

 

[ADS]

I'm looking to become a domestic installer and was wondering what this would involve. Ie would i be qualified to get to wires behind plaster-silly question I know but im changing jobs and dont want jump head first. how do you get to the wires behind walls etc

For once I don't know what to say.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

I'm looking to become a domestic installer and was wondering what this would involve. Ie would i be qualified to get to wires behind plaster-silly question I know but im changing jobs and dont want jump head first. how do you get to the wires behind walls etc

Oh Yes Yes Yes...

you are already qualified to get to anything behind plaster...

under floorboards, in the loft..

around the shed and under the garden...

Just a big hammer selection if cold chisel's,

crowbar maybe..

and a decent pick and spade...

and you should be able to get to any cables!!!

No course.. No fee.. No exam..

anyone can do it!

Simples!



Is that what you were asking?

:Welcome:

 

[kme]

Ah, yes.

Can I say "welcome"? Yes, I can!

then Welcome.

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!I know, I know.

It`s pink.

(do I get a medal?)

 

[andy2townsend]

thank you very much comedians, guess I asked for that...Basically im TRYING to research the job. The course is fast tracked if i do it, its a big leap i'm taking and it's not for the money my current job pays well enough. However as fast trak often means fast with no experience, lets just get ticks in the box, i want to know what the scope of my role would be? i hope this better explains my previously dumb questions

 

[Andy™]

thank you very much comedians, guess I asked for that...Basically im TRYING to research the job. The course is fast tracked if i do it, its a big leap i'm taking and it's not for the money my current job pays well enough. However as fast trak often means fast with no experience, lets just get ticks in the box, i want to know what the scope of my role would be? i hope this better explains my previously dumb questions

as you say, fast track courses teach you basics and thats it. really, the courses were designed for the older sparks who didnt have qualifications but knew the job, so they could get qualifications. not for any tom, dick or harry to be a spark in a week.

only way you will learn would be lots of experience with someone, alone with college courses.

now unless you can find someone to work with as a trainee/apprentice, then you wont be jumping into your own self employed sparky job once you finish a week course.

apprenticeships are 4 years for a reason

 

[M107]

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[Andy™]

Equality & all that ROTFWL

maybe it should be Tom, Krzysztof & Harriet then!

or some other weird polish/foreign name

 

[andy2townsend]

I'm doing this as resettlement from the armed forces but I left four years ago I currently work for the ambulance service. not trying to take anyones job or expect to start my own company. Just a little help from respectable electricians so that one day I might be where you guys are now. So what would your advice be once I qualify? will many people want to take me on so i can cement the knowledge of the course and to get more hands on experience. how would I approach an electrician in my local area for work??

 

[tom1]

you would prob end up working for free or low wage, to do it quick i would say the best way would be to do night collage or long distances learning while spending your days working for a spark.

but pricey and low return for a while

 

[Andy™]

you would prob end up working for free or low wage, to do it quick i would say the best way would be to do night collage or long distances learning while spending your days working for a spark. but pricey and low return for a while

distance learning is not the way to go. college is a better way. at college, you will have a lecturer who you can easily ask if you dont understand, and you will have others with you at the same level of training, and can help each other. i dont think you get any of that with distance learning

 

[M107]

Andy the advice from my cousin is as he did one of these courses down in Dartford (he is now with me part time learning the trade), dont waste money on a quick "we'll make you a sparks in a week" course, as said it's fine for those that have a grounding in the world of electrics but you wont learn alot if your fresh off the street as it were.

If it's your resettlement from HMAF then look into getting them to pay for a college place so you can gain C&G 2330 (some of our younger members can advise on this course I'm of the 2360 era) & also look to gain some site experience by offering your services free to a local sparks (you may be lucky & get paid but so many are offering free services just to learn it's unbeliveable).

Some of the quick courses (not all granted) state you'll be qualified to undertake part P approval, what the actualy mean is....

You'll spend a shed load of cash to be taught (if thats what it can be called) how to put in a ring main, a lighting circuit, 2way lighting using 3core & earth only, a bit about supply types, some on circuit protection & loads of reading from the regs & the bare minimum about filling in certs....all this will be assessed during the course with a pass at the end.

Nothing about TP or industrial/commercial works, no tube bending no micc (mims) work no tray or basket work, singles/contactors/timers & motors are off the syllabus.

What you will be "qualified":C for; is to apply to a body such as the NICEIC (loads of others out there) & undertake their pass/fail assessments & pay the fee (regardless of pass/fail) to become an approved DI.

 

[Andy™]

What you will be "qualified":C for; is to apply to a body such as the NICEIC (loads of others out there) & undertake their pass/fail assessments & pay the fee (regardless of pass/fail) to become an approved DI.

and more importantly, even if you pass the course, your not guaranteed to pass assessment

 

[tom1]

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[Marc]

Stay away from distance learning at all costs! ray

There are so many people trying to become sparkies nowadays I'd have to say try something else. I set out over 2 years ago now to become a sparky, odds & ends came every so often but nothing definite ever came out of working for nothing, and I did the full 2330 course.

Now I'm at Uni spending the next few years doing an engineering degree. Some are lucky, most aren't because of the pure number of people wanting to get into the trade. I presume HMAF have given you a set budget for retraining? If so, put some feelers out first to find out whether or not you're likely to get anywhere, otherwise it's an expensive waste of money.

 

[andy2townsend]

ok guys, Thanks for the info much appreciated. I'm looking into doing a six week tech30 course with technique training.co.uk could you take a look at the course and tell me your opinions?

 

[Andy™]

maybe if you gave us a link instead of expecting us to go searching for it...

 

[M107]

Heres the thanks the course worked for me page (lukes story is entertaining)

http://www.techniquetraining.co.uk/CaseStudies.html

The course

http://www.techniquetraining.co.uk/courses/electrical/tec30.html

Thats alot for 6 weeks training....I take it all back TP fire alarms em lighting gas control wiring its all there to be done in 6 weeks.....

A couple of the FAQ's

"Q: Will I be able to undertake electrical work straight away after I complete the training?A: Providing you successfully complete the necessary assessments there is no reason why you cannot begin electrical work upon completion of the course."

Q: Will I be an electrician upon completion of a total electrical course?A: Once you have completed a Total Electrical Course, you will have all the relevant qualifications to be a Domestic Electrical Installer

Q: Will I automatically become registered with one of the new Government approved competent persons schemes for 'part P' when the course is finished?A: Our courses provide access to a range of different nationally recognised qualifications. It will be your own responsibility to join a scheme if you want to do domestic electrical work in the UK.

Q: Will the total refrigeration course prepare me for work?A: Yes, completing the 3 week course provides you with all of the skills you will need to install commission and maintain units in most environments.

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