we all know you can legally rid a moped on L plates if you have done CBT. but, is it legal for someone to employ someone to drive a moped as part of their job, if they only have a provisional licence? or would they need a full liecence?
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Interesting question, Andy
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Indeed, Patch.
That is a good question, Andy.
I wonder if one of our Police officer (or Ex) would like to answer that one?
I personally - would say that there is no problem with that. But they have to have social, domestic, pleasure & commuting on their insurance? Yes?
That is a good question, Andy.
I wonder if one of our Police officer (or Ex) would like to answer that one?
I personally - would say that there is no problem with that. But they have to have social, domestic, pleasure & commuting on their insurance? Yes?
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i suppose it depends on the insurance limitations ????
i would have thought the insurance would need a full licence, being business use?
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Makes no difference whether they are going to or from your office or to or from a job. it is still commuting.
Is he/she going to have a massive "top-box" on the back of his /her bike for their tools.
But seriously, It is a good question you pose there, Sir.
Morris.
Is he/she going to have a massive "top-box" on the back of his /her bike for their tools.
But seriously, It is a good question you pose there, Sir.
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You sure? I can legally drive to the surgery but not go out on a call! mmm
bit more info:
local traffic warden round here now has a moped so he can travel round to give out more tickets. but he has L plates. surely he should have a full licence and not provisional!
and driving to/from work is different to being paid to drive whilst at work
local traffic warden round here now has a moped so he can travel round to give out more tickets. but he has L plates. surely he should have a full licence and not provisional!
and driving to/from work is different to being paid to drive whilst at work
ive sent request
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Yes you can be employed with a Provisional Licence.
I'm suprised no one's mentioned Pizza delivery boys. Obviously, the requisite insurance must be in place. There are in fact some Despatch rider companies that wil supply the bike, arange the training etc.
I'm suprised no one's mentioned Pizza delivery boys. Obviously, the requisite insurance must be in place. There are in fact some Despatch rider companies that wil supply the bike, arange the training etc.
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You beat me to that! All the Pizza delivery kids round here have L plates, it's a fairly cheap solution for the employer.
Our apprentices catch the peasent carrier or are picked up by someone in Co car and then can drive company vehicle on L plates, if they have a P licence and have been allowed to drive Co vehicles.
Most company insurance is a block for any one employed by the company.
Most company insurance is a block for any one employed by the company.
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This would all be a bit of grey area.
If stopped by police whilst 'going to a job' checks on the police computer which now hold insurance details and the correct questions could lead to a technical no insurance.
Social/domestic/pleasure ,to get to a place of employment i would think possibly be seen by an insurance company as ok, you have to check.
Once at work I would say this is business use, you are going to make a money gain.
This really needs to be put to the insurance company for yes/no answer.
If stopped by police whilst 'going to a job' checks on the police computer which now hold insurance details and the correct questions could lead to a technical no insurance.
Social/domestic/pleasure ,to get to a place of employment i would think possibly be seen by an insurance company as ok, you have to check.
Once at work I would say this is business use, you are going to make a money gain.
This really needs to be put to the insurance company for yes/no answer.
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The wording and cover provided will vary between insurance companies.
Basic insurance will cover SDP (Social, Domestic, Pleasure). Some companies will automatically allow commuting, some will offer it as an extra. Some will stipulate commuting to a single permenant place of work.
Some componies offer cover for a spouse automatically, others you have to request it. With some, it can actually work out cheaper if you have a female on the policy.
Some will allow driving of vehicles not owned by the policy holder. Often this will include motorcycles and vans even though though the policy is for a car.
With business insurance, sometimes the wording can state for the use of the policy holder's or spouse's buisness. Othertimes it can be specific. i.e. some motorcycle courier policies will state: "not for use for the fast food industry."
With motor trade policies, it is now a requirement to notify the insurance company of any new stock every 2 weeks.(doesn't apply to unregistered vehicles, or if there are trade plates in use).
Most business policies allow anyone over 25, 21 or 17. The lower the age, the greater the cost. Some will require the user be named, and for their driving history to be declared.
It is allways a good idea to double check exactly the wording on the policies. Some policies can give as standard cover that other policies require you to pay for. Unfortunately, it is such a convoluted area that often the broker's will have little or no idea of what each policy offers. They tend to just work on which is cheapest.
Basic insurance will cover SDP (Social, Domestic, Pleasure). Some companies will automatically allow commuting, some will offer it as an extra. Some will stipulate commuting to a single permenant place of work.
Some componies offer cover for a spouse automatically, others you have to request it. With some, it can actually work out cheaper if you have a female on the policy.
Some will allow driving of vehicles not owned by the policy holder. Often this will include motorcycles and vans even though though the policy is for a car.
With business insurance, sometimes the wording can state for the use of the policy holder's or spouse's buisness. Othertimes it can be specific. i.e. some motorcycle courier policies will state: "not for use for the fast food industry."
With motor trade policies, it is now a requirement to notify the insurance company of any new stock every 2 weeks.(doesn't apply to unregistered vehicles, or if there are trade plates in use).
Most business policies allow anyone over 25, 21 or 17. The lower the age, the greater the cost. Some will require the user be named, and for their driving history to be declared.
It is allways a good idea to double check exactly the wording on the policies. Some policies can give as standard cover that other policies require you to pay for. Unfortunately, it is such a convoluted area that often the broker's will have little or no idea of what each policy offers. They tend to just work on which is cheapest.
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When driving at work does HSAWA apply, or does Road Traffic Law take precedence over Health and Safety Law?
I'm just thinking that if HSAWA applies, and this traffic warden were to be knocked off his L Plated moped by (for example) an irate Electrician in a huge Iveco van, towing a trailer, what would the HSE think of the training supervision?
I'm just thinking that if HSAWA applies, and this traffic warden were to be knocked off his L Plated moped by (for example) an irate Electrician in a huge Iveco van, towing a trailer, what would the HSE think of the training supervision?
H&S would always apply, since he is at work. and since he is on the road, road laws apply as usual. and im not that bad on the roads. his driving is probably worse than mine!
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