Notifying jobs

[Evans Electric]

I see a lot of posts asking about notifying different jobs under Part P. I only notify jobs covered by building control inspections. What do you guys reckon , or should I read the Part P Doc again ?

Deke

 

[Andy™]

If in not sure, either phone elecsa technical help or notify it anyway, cover yourself just incase. but if its not on the list of work done, it doesnt get notified

 

[jl-heating]

niceic say if your unsure notify it ... good are they not.

 

[Evans Electric]

Anyone else with any input on this one ?? Would be appreciated.

Deke

 

[ian932]

I see a lot of posts asking about notifying different jobs under Part P. I only notify jobs covered by building control inspections. What do you guys reckon , or should I read the Part P Doc again ? Deke

Do you mean the work is part of a building permit ie. new build/extension etc.

 

[Evans Electric]

Thats right Ian , new extension, test and fill out cert, building inspector takes a photo copy away, client gets my top copy, I notify ELECSA online , they notify LBC ( again ) .

Next job, say, change CU and wiring to new shower. Test and cert to client. End of story. Should I also notify ELECSA and them notify LBC who are not involved ??

Deke

 

[kme]

YES, yes, yes.

Doesn`t matter if LABC are directly involved or not mate. you notify "notifiable works", including any work in a "special location", garden, kitchen, etc.

If you want the full list of "notifiablle works", I`m sure its been discussed previously. Or pm me, and I`ll send you the list.

KME

 

[betty swollocks]

change of cu is a notifiable job and should be registered

 

[Evans Electric]

Thanks for that KME , I'm sure I'll have the list, I thought if we were self certifying our work why does the LABC need to know that I have changed someones CU. We have been told that Birmingham Building Control dumps all the Part P input that comes in online, so whats it all about, Alfie?

Is it the same system with Corgi ? Do they inform LABC after every gas fire or boiler , any plumbers ?

Won't the LABC be amassing an enormous data bank of this info? Where do they keep it ?

 

[Andy™]

Thanks for that KME , I'm sure I'll have the list, I thought if we were self certifying our work why does the LABC need to know that I have changed someones CU. We have been told that Birmingham Building Control dumps all the Part P input that comes in online, so whats it all about, Alfie? Is it the same system with Corgi ? Do they inform LABC after every gas fire or boiler , any plumbers ?

Won't the LABC be amassing an enormous data bank of this info? Where do they keep it ?

you notify elecsa (or whoever) when you do a part p job. like a additional socket in kitchen, new DB etc... they then send a notice to LABC saying whats done and by who, they also send a certificate to homeowner

once labc notified, they probably stick it in the nearest bin

 

[betty swollocks]

once labc notified, they probably stick it in the nearest bin

not before the IR have been informed

 

[Evans Electric]

Thanks guys... Oooops .. I've only been notifying jobs with Building Control. Oh well , I'm not working at all now.

 

[betty swollocks]

not to worry Deke, mate of mine hasnt notified one job of any kind since this fiasco started

 

[Andy™]

not before the IR have been informed

knowing how competent labc are... id be surpriesed if they actually managed to inform IR or any jobs notified....

 

[ian932]

Most LABC inspectors I've spoken with hate part P and feel its been dumped on them by central government and would happily get rid of it in a shot if they could.

Would be interesting to see some figures to see if safety has been improved or is it just another speed camera scenario (whoops sorry SAFETY camera X( X( )

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Thats right Ian , new extension, test and fill out cert, building inspector takes a photo copy away, client gets my top copy, I notify ELECSA online , they notify LBC ( again ) .Next job, say, change CU and wiring to new shower. Test and cert to client. End of story. Should I also notify ELECSA and them notify LBC who are not involved ??

Deke

Grab a cup-o-tea and a slice of cake before reading ..

or just a few of theseGuiness DrinkGuiness Drink

I think we are missing the point a bit here?.... It's not about LABC amassing huge data base of all electrical work carried out....

Isn't it about the customer having some documentary evidence of what has been done, and assurance that it meets current wiring regs & building regulation standards,

and if it doesn't comply having some legal ground to sue someone for negligence? ie. BS7671 NON-statutory, PART P statutory?

With a new build or extension work requiring planing approval, at some point the job has to be signed off by an LABC bod to say it structurally meets all building regs requirements, light, sound ventilation, fire electric etc... etc... ALL parts of the building regs?

If the electric part is by someone who cannot self cert it, the LABC needs to verify the electric bits themselves. If it is by a self cert spark, all the LABC needs is a name & evidence of whodunit to pass the legal buck onto if electric problems arise in the future!

as long as Mr LABC can tick of his "who checked the electrics box" he can final sign off the job once all other structural bit passed as well.

The three documents, (dependant upon which method of notification has been followed), to verify all aspects of building regs have been complied with are:-

A compliance certificate is issued by a Part P scheme provider.

A completion certificate is issued by a local authority

A final notice is issued by an approved inspection

{pg 11 point 1.17 approved doc P}

All notifiable work carried out by a part P scheme provider should also offer the customer an Insurance backed warranty. to guarantee compliance with building regs & thus BS7671

If you haven't notified the work.. customer has no compliance cert or warranty.

Now if customer chooses Not to pursue any claim nowt happens anyway...

But if customer does.... & they have your elec cert saying you did the work... but No compliance cert & your scheme provider has no record of you notifying the work?

the book & the pooh could be thrown in your direction!

so IMHO if you are doing an electrical cert also notify!

if not notify Don't do EIC either.. and deny all knowledge of the job!

But if you have no certs or notified jobs... your scheme provider may be wondering what you been doing and it could be hard to pick example of your work for them to assess!?

I think your inspector Deke, was just taking a copy to cover his own back so if any electric problems arrive he can pass the buck onto you and he don't get it in the neck. don't think it sits on any LABC files?

just wants name, scheme provider serial No of cert.. which can be traced back to you and your copy!!!

LABC only need the info thats on the compliance certificate, 1.19 pg 11 app doc P

name date scheme operator & summary of work!

oh Yes, I do notify all my notifiable work...

and a few bits I'm not sure about only cost a few quid with NICEIC!

IMHO

I think the annual accessor bloke like's seein you been notifying jobs!

last year he got his list out of how many jobs I had notified over the previous 12 months.....

He seemed to like looking at the certs for some of these jobs more so than the non-notifiable work?

but that may have just been that one bloke .. not a general rule !!?

OK I've stopped now! :^O :^O:^O

Guiness Drink

p.s. I had to go out half way thorough writing this to do Dads Taxi..

think it all makes sence tho.....

or shall i go over to the pant draw??? :O

 

[Andy™]

p.s. I had to go out half way thorough writing this to do Dads Taxi..

how many seats in the trailer?

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Most LABC inspectors I've spoken with hate part P and feel its been dumped on them by central government and would happily get rid of it in a shot if they could.Would be interesting to see some figures to see if safety has been improved or is it just another speed camera scenario (whoops sorry SAFETY camera X( X( )

I susspect the original master plan would have hoped all sparks join a part P scheme, so LABC dont need to do bo-diddly!

which is probably why LABC dont like it?

 

[Andy™]

I susspect the original master plan would have hoped all sparks join a part P scheme,

and every DIYer... think of the amount of VAT they could have got!

 

[Evans Electric]

Specs, Thanks for the giant post , I take on board what you are saying, and yes you are right . Its just that sometimes I really can't be bothered with the paperwork.

Don't kow if others feel the same, like the working day never ends.

Deke