Part P

[Starbuck]

Hi All,

Quick note on my background: -

I was an electronics engineer for 12 years before finally, after years of red tape and under-educated higher management, decided to leave.

I asked the NICEIC if I needed to do the C&G2330 but they said I didnt need to as I have a Degree in Electrical + Electronic Engineering it covered that etc.

So during the next 5 months I then completed 17th Edition, C&G PAT testing C&G Part P and C&G2391-10 Inspection and testing.

Then I hit the road as self employed.

I have a old friend who works for a reputable NICEIC approved company and is an experienced spark who is always there when I have a query on the job.

So far so good, so much work I'm snowed under which is good - but now I want to be registered with the NICEIC or NAPIT or ELECSA etc..

I phoned the NICEIC and they said I need 2xexamples of work 1 major and 1 minor and that they both had to be part P certified by the relevant local authority.

I called the councils in question and they charge approx

 

[NozSpark]

For any assesment that I have had they have never asked to see any Part P documentation.. neither for my initial or follow up's!!

During my re assesments they do have a form with the amount of notifications that I have made, but they never cross reference that with any of my EIC's or MWI's

I have heared that people do the job, get assessed (& pass) and then notify them... but that would be plain wrong

But what would happen if you failed???

 

[Voltimax]

I'm confused. You say you want to join a scheme yet your profile says you're an NICEIC domestic installer?

 

[wozz]

Im sure all the others assume its not notified but will be once your on board.

 

[batty]

Firstly welcome to the forum. Not sure how people go about joining schemes as I have been a member of one since it started but what a lot of people seem to do is a cu change at home and another minor works at home and then register it with council when they pass. My main concearn with your post the fact you are gaining work by being cheap it seems. If you carry on with this you will not be popular in your area with sparks that are trying to make a honest living.

 

[ElectekAir]

Yes:Welcome:

I have heard people telling building control that the work will be done for a NICEIC inspection and sometimes the notification fee is wavered

not sure but worth a try

 

[Starbuck]

Thanks for the replies!

Not sure why my profile says that i'm not trying to pull the wool I'll try to ammend it.

Regading pricing I'm not super cheap! But for now I want to get work for ezperience with respect I don't worry about not being popular with other sparks - my prices are approx 15% - 20% cheaper at the mo.

Cheers

 

[Voltimax]

I wasn't having a pop Starbuck, I was just confused, at first I thought you were wanting to go full approved with the NICEIC.

 

[green-hornet]

Welcome to the forum.

As others have said sometimes for your assessment you could ask to have the fee put aside because you are using the jobs for assessment.

Your comments about the client being responsible for any notifiable work to be reported are true, but this should be done before any work is carried out and the appropiate fee paid.

One reason why you can at the moment charge up to 20% cheaper than other sparks in your area is because you do not have the same overheads that they do if they are registered.

Good luck anyway on your assessment I should think you would be ok given your background, but remember there are more regulations to follow than just part p, and experiance in this type of work is always going to be required.

 

[Starbuck]

No prob Voltimax.

By full approved do you mean an approved contractor?

Can anyone explain what this entails - and the relevant assessment etc?

Thanks all again.

 

[a1]

Starbuck,

Firstly, welcome to the forum.

With regard to the Scheme provider, the default is always "Blank" which will show nothing (As yours is now).

It is easy enough to make an error - not a problem.

BUT - This will be changing very soon. All current scheme provders displayed and the options on registration and when you edit your profile is going to be scrapped, and in its place, there wil be a foolproof way of it being added.

This can only be done by myself and a very strict "Proof that you are an upto date paid up member of that particular scheme" needs to be proved to me, before I add the Scheme provider to your Postbits (Your posts, under your usernames).

 

[sparkytim]

Hi Admin

Good to hear of the confirmed scheme membership upgrade

You may be aware of this site but www.competentperson.co.uk is the LABC listing for all scheme registered persons/companies.

 

[a1]

Hi AdminGood to hear of the confirmed scheme membership upgrade

You may be aware of this site but www.competentperson.co.uk is the LABC listing for all scheme registered persons/companies.

Yes Thanks Mate,

I have a link to it on the registration page.

Best Regards,

Admin.

 

[ElectekAir]

No prob Voltimax.By full approved do you mean an approved contractor?

Can anyone explain what this entails - and the relevant assessment etc?

Thanks all again.

Hi Starbuck

:Welcome:

Approved contractor is a more involved process with Domestic installer you need to show 2 examples of your work for initial assessment

With Approved Contractor you need to show 6 examples of your work to include industrial and commercial and they wont entertain looking at domestic works for the initial assessment.

Hope this helps

 

[DrVoltage]

Who do i go with? Recently qulified Full Scope 17th edition installer 2382, PAT tester, First Aider, who is best for MCS as this is something I would like to specialise in? Thanks in advance.

 

[Manator]

Who do i go with? Recently qulified Full Scope 17th edition installer 2382, PAT tester, First Aider, who is best for MCS as this is something I would like to specialise in? Thanks in advance.

Any of the scheme providers is a short answer, and as others will say especially in these times go with the one who best suits your interests.

 

[steptoe]

Who do i go with? Recently qulified Full Scope 17th edition installer 2382, PAT tester, First Aider, who is best for MCS as this is something I would like to specialise in? Thanks in advance.

I have heard that NAPIT seems good for MCS,

I am with NICEIC and they seem good from my point of view anyway.

 

[Voltimax]

Hi Starbuck :Welcome:

Approved contractor is a more involved process with Domestic installer you need to show 2 examples of your work for initial assessment

With Approved Contractor you need to show 6 examples of your work to include industrial and commercial and they wont entertain looking at domestic works for the initial assessment.

Hope this helps

This is not true. There are several NICEIC AC's here where I am that only do domestic and nothing else.

 

[green-hornet]

This is a normal misconception of what is an AC in relation to a DI.

To become an AC you have to have a greater knowledge of the type of work that you carry out. This could be anything from testing and inspecting, with no requirement for installation, to full blown installations and building management.

This year I am going for AC status simply because more of my clients are requesting it, it pains me to pay for something that I have so far refused to acknowledge as a required feature. The only reason I registered for part p was because they lied to me when it was brought out, they said I could not do anything if I was not registered, liars, everyone does notifiable work without notification

 

[steptoe]

This is a normal misconception of what is an AC in relation to a DI.To become an AC you have to have a greater knowledge of the type of work that you carry out. This could be anything from testing and inspecting, with no requirement for installation, to full blown installations and building management.

This year I am going for AC status simply because more of my clients are requesting it, it pains me to pay for something that I have so far refused to acknowledge as a required feature. The only reason I registered for part p was because they lied to me when it was brought out, they said I could not do anything if I was not registered, liars, everyone does notifiable work without notification

I agree.

what a con.