passport inquiry

[steptoe]

I have signed the official secrets act so could not possibly comment on conspiricy theories

you can actually refuse to sign it, and depending on what you are doing/already know then they are in the ****, alternatively, are they really gonna take you up for saying something silly and admitting it was a state secret.?

 

[green-hornet]

you can actually refuse to sign it, and depending on what you are doing/already know then they are in the ****, alternatively, are they really gonna take you up for saying something silly and admitting it was a state secret.?

I hope never to give them the oppertunity, they may be after my contracts and may wish to use the official secrets act as a way of getting my work off me.

Oh but that is another conspiricy

Only kidding.

I have signed the act, just as any ex serviceman would, I doubt very much that what I know would be of any use to any one.

 

[septiclecky]

you can actually refuse to sign it, and depending on what you are doing/already know then they are in the ****, alternatively, are they really gonna take you up for saying something silly and admitting it was a state secret.?

You could do but where I was working I had to or I didn't get the job:_| :_| :_|

 

[ianmacd]

I have signed the official secrets act so could not possibly comment on conspiricy theories

Every UK citizen is bound by the official secrets act no matter if they have signed it or not.

 

[steptoe]

I hope never to give them the oppertunity, they may be after my contracts and may wish to use the official secrets act as a way of getting my work off me.Oh but that is another conspiricy

Only kidding.

I have signed the act, just as any ex serviceman would, I doubt very much that what I know would be of any use to any one.

You could do but where I was working I had to or I didn't get the job:_| :_| :_|

Every UK citizen is bound by the official secrets act no matter if they have signed it or not.

Im sorry to disagree, but I have worked in some pretty high ranking security areas of the british military, and I have never signed nor agreed to the official secrets act.

are dual nationals also bound by this? I very much doubt it.

its basically worthless cos our country is pretty much spineless.

 

[ianmacd]

Im sorry to disagree, but I have worked in some pretty high ranking security areas of the british military, and I have never signed nor agreed to the official secrets act.are dual nationals also bound by this? I very much doubt it.

its basically worthless cos our country is pretty much spineless.

By being domicile in this country you are bound by the act and prosecutable under it whether you have signed it nor not.

 

[steptoe]

By being domicile in this country you are bound by the act and prosecutable under it whether you have signed it nor not.

can you quote a reg on that., sorry I mean law.

I am British born and bred(not that that should make a difference),

but the government can not instantly make me be bound by a rule I dont know,

is it a law?

if it is then surely almost everyone in government is guilty of treason on those grounds alone.

 

[ianmacd]

can you quote a reg on that., sorry I mean law.I am British born and bred(not that that should make a difference),

but the government can not instantly make me be bound by a rule I dont know,

is it a law?

if it is then surely almost everyone in government is guilty of treason on those grounds alone.

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Secrets_Act

People working with sensitive information are commonly required to sign a statement to the effect that they agree to abide by the restrictions of the Official Secrets Act. This is popularly referred to as "signing the Official Secrets Act." Signing this has no effect on which actions are legal, as the act is a law, not a contract, and individuals are bound by it whether or not they have signed it. Signing it is intended more as a reminder to the person that they are under such obligations.

 

[steptoe]

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Secrets_ActPeople working with sensitive information are commonly required to sign a statement to the effect that they agree to abide by the restrictions of the Official Secrets Act. This is popularly referred to as "signing the Official Secrets Act." Signing this has no effect on which actions are legal, as the act is a law, not a contract, and individuals are bound by it whether or not they have signed it. Signing it is intended more as a reminder to the person that they are under such obligations.

bit like EAWR then, that is an act also.

so do we jail all these idiots that cant wire jack,?

so, how do we know what/which things are secret and what is not, if no one tells us?

obviously the act itself is secret, otherwise it would state what secrets we cannot disclose. its a bit of a catch 22 clause, and I really have no idea how it could ever be enforced with our joke of a system.

 

[green-hornet]

By signing the act you agree that information you posses at that time is or could be sensitive, any disclosure of that information to a third party after signing the act makes it very difficult for any defence.

However, if you have not signed the act and disclose any secret information you are privvy to, you could propose a defence, such as the information you had you did not know was secret, or that the information was hearsay and you had no idea of disclosure.

So signing the official secrets act is a very serious step, and basically under normal circumstances takes away your right to a defence in court.

 

[steptoe]

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Secrets_ActPeople working with sensitive information are commonly required to sign a statement to the effect that they agree to abide by the restrictions of the Official Secrets Act. This is popularly referred to as "signing the Official Secrets Act." Signing this has no effect on which actions are legal, as the act is a law, not a contract, and individuals are bound by it whether or not they have signed it. Signing it is intended more as a reminder to the person that they are under such obligations.

By signing the act you agree that information you posses at that time is or could be sensitive, any disclosure of that information to a third party after signing the act makes it very difficult for any defence.However, if you have not signed the act and disclose any secret information you are privvy to, you could propose a defence, such as the information you had you did not know was secret, or that the information was hearsay and you had no idea of disclosure.

So signing the official secrets act is a very serious step, and basically under normal circumstances takes away your right to a defence in court.

thats why I never signed it,

removes your defence of ignorance.

 

[NozSpark]

Ignorance is not a defence in law!

 

[ianmacd]

thats why I never signed it,removes your defence of ignorance.

Ignorance is no defence in law.

All sensative items should be PMM'd (protectivly marked material) properly and signed out/in etc. The protective level should be on the outside and every page of a document.

 

[Theorysparky]

I have signed the official secrets act so could not possibly comment on conspiricy theories

i like you

could share a few of these Guinness