pendant to brass fitting

[paul b b]

evening all,

when changing a pendant with loop wired through the rose, what is the best way of fitting? wangos? connector block? or is there a better way

thanks

 

[The Godfather]

Whatever is appropriate?

The Boys

 

[paul b b]

should a connector block be in a chock box if pushed in to a ceiling void?

 

[Andy™]

should a connector block be in a chock box if pushed in to a ceiling void?

not should, must. or at least some other kind of enclosure

imagine sticking your hand under a floor board only discover (the potentially fatal way) that the previous spark/handyman left exposed connections

 

[paul b b]

ummm what do you suggest? most only have a smallish hole, is there a small box of some kind? or do you just dig out the plaster

 

[Andy™]

chocboxes are fairly small. you may need to make a larger hole to get it to fit through though

 

[Lurch]

The thing here is what you should\must do and what 95% of people will do.

You should do as Andy says above.

What tends to happen though, in just about every case of pendant to fancy fitting swap, is the cables are stuck in connector blocks and then jammed in the back of the rose if there is room, or shoved back into the void behind the ceiling structure.

 

[paul b b]

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7706&highlight=tlc

what about these lighting connector block things, are they any good

 

[kme]

Yes, used plenty of them - they`re rated 16A too, so they can come in useful in allo sorts of scenarios

KME

 

[Lurch]

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7706&highlight=tlcwhat about these lighting connector block things, are they any good

What's a 'lighting block connector thing'?

 

[Apache]

What's a 'lighting block connector thing'?

This beastie:

 

[Lurch]

This beastie:

Ah, I see.

I think the problem with those would be making a hole big enough to get them in and cover the hole with the base of the fitting and\or retain enough surface to provide a decent fixing.

 

[bengie]

they look brilliant!

i might have to go buy some of them, cheers!

 

[Lurch]

they look brilliant!

Fantastic for downlighters.

 

[kme]

Ah, I see.I think the problem with those would be making a hole big enough to get them in and cover the hole with the base of the fitting and\or retain enough surface to provide a decent fixing.

They`re not as big as you might think, mate. They`ll go through a hole that will be covered by just about every light fitting on the market.....

KME

 

[Lurch]

They`re not as big as you might think, mate. They`ll go through a hole that will be covered by just about every light fitting on the market.....

Yes, but.... if you are fitting the fixture onto a plasterboard ceiling and it's not against a joist or batten then then you'll have nothing left to fix to, and if you're against a joist or batten the hole will be off centre so poking out of the edge of the base. My thoughts anyway, never actually tried it TBH, be interested to hear if it's different in normal practice.

 

[wozz]

ive used them for connection of SEVL transformers in commercial installs so you dont have to isolate the circuit to change the transformer.

 

[kme]

Yes, but.... if you are fitting the fixture onto a plasterboard ceiling and it's not against a joist or batten then then you'll have nothing left to fix to, and if you're against a joist or batten the hole will be off centre so poking out of the edge of the base. My thoughts anyway, never actually tried it TBH, be interested to hear if it's different in normal practice.

With the majority of fittings, there`s plenty of plasterboard left to fix to - I tend to use the metal plasterboard doofers that you screw in, so I don`t have to dic about finding joists.

And, on the odd occasion that, for aesthetic purposes, the light wouldn`t cover the hole, I`ll mix up some one-coat plaster, and patch the ceiling

See also Wozz`s post above, though, in my case I was using SELV trannies, not sure what SEVL`s are]ROTFWLO)

KME

 

[Lurch]

not sure what SEVL`s are]

Severely low?