PIR Coding help

[mikel]

Can anyone offer a little advice on what coding I should give the following, I've put what I'm thinking of giving but I would appreciate a little help from those with greater knowledge and experience.

Rubber wiring from con unit to cooker point - IR was 299M ohms L-N, L-E, N-E. r1+r2=o.06 no visible sign of insulation breaking down - 4

Rubber wiring from con unit to socket outlet - IR was 2.91M ohms L-E, 184M ohms N-E and L-N, r1+r2 =0.32. there was evidence of the insulation breaking down behind a socket face - 2

Consumer units (2) not fastened to wall 2

Cooker hood feed in 2.5 mm T/E taken directly from cooker plate switch to a junction box, to hood. Not fused. (Radial to cooker protected by 30A bs 3036 fuse - 2

Downlighters in kitchen ceiling next to ceiling joists (as in 2/3 mm from the joists) and covered with insulation. (No signs yet of heat damage - only put in december 2010) - 2

The customer had the kitchen and bathroom refurbished Dec 2010. There are no certificates for the work (surprise, surprise having seen the work). The electric shower does not have RCD protection nor is there any bonding in the bathroom. The bathroom also has 2 downlighters fitted. The builder has re used some of the existing rubber insulated cables which look to be around 40-50 yrs old. Will try for some pictures later.

Thanks for any advice

 

[Technician]

I do not think I could argue with the departure codes you assigned,

except the downlighters, because of the imminent risk of fire which

could place the householder in immediate danger, in which case a 1

might be more appropriate. By saying this, if a fire rating kit has not

been fitted to the light then there is an imminent risk of fire if the

insulation is in contact.

 

[PC Electrics]

Agree with your assessments. I wouldn't give a 1 for the downlights - 1s should be reserved for things that are immediately dangerous.

I recently moved a whole suite of downlights for this reason

If there is no RCDs on bathroom circuits and no supp bonds, then you have code 2s there too. If there was at least one or the other it'd be 4s.

 

[Technician]

Point taken with regard to a 2 for the downlighters; I only mentioned it

because they sometimes (should be, in my opinion) are supplied with firerating

kits.

Further, I spotted this in a best practice guide from the NIC. The illustration of

the fire was graphic; the lamp was certainly at the seat of the fire.

Many thanks.

 

[Technician]

Mikel...hope that re-used wire is not VIR. Was it TRS

that came after that?

 

[mikel]

The tails are VIR, the other could be TRS, (it's a twin and earth cable) however its in really poor condition and the insulation around the conductors is in very poor condition where I can gain access to inspect it. Have checked with the local building control in respect of whether the work hada been notified etc. Low and behold it hadn't but more surprising was the fact they are really keen to follow this up and take action over it!!!!!

 

[Technician]

Not chasing YOU, are they, Mikel?

Or are you the whizz kid that found it? :Applaud

 

[mikel]

No not chasing me, I was asked to put 2 new socket outlets in. I refused to do it having seen the state of the CU, advised the customer of what I'd seen and they asked me back o do a PIR and its all stemmed from that

 

[Technician]

I put a household installation out of service because the householder had

disconnected EVERY CPC (Circuit Protective Conductor) within the lighting

consumer unit.

He refused to sign the form I gave him.

I also found one circuit within the box that had been installed in the old

colours without the CPC down the middle.