Pricing PIRs

[NozSpark]

Guys, I've got a periodic to price and could do with some help.

Right, I've been and had a quick look and I've also trawled previous posts.

The building is a pub (food mainly) and has a 3 phase supply.

There are...

2 x three phase DBs

5 x single phase DBs

3 x three phase circuits

59 x single phase circuits

Now following Sideys pricing guide (2 hours per DB and 1 hour per circuit) there are 78 items above making it 78 hours worth of work.

There are however 10 stand alone RCDs covering sub mains and final circuits - in the vicinity of (and I'm guessing supplied from) the main 3 phase DB.

I also noted that some of the DBs are not marked up very well, so I may need to add time for investigating what supplies what; unless there are previous records, no inspection sticker was evident, so I doubt it

Any tips, ideas regarding how long this will take:O I think that it'll have to be done over quite a few days so that they can open for lunch.

 

[kerching]

If it was me [luckily it isn't] I would charge out all part days as full days. Chuck at least another couple of days at it for 'unforeseens'.

Possibly another day or so for minor rectifications as you go along ie why note that a joint needs fitting into a suitable enclosure when you can fit a chocbox/Wago box on and charge them for the priveledge! Make it clear that all incidental materials are chargeable etc........ :coat

 

[Sidewinder]

I'll have a think if you want, but, you will "need" to know "what" you are testing before you can test it "really".

Also, I would go for additional labour & materials to rectify Code C1's as you find them, informing the client as you go.

You have a site worksheet you can mod & use!

These can be printed on NCR paper on laser or inkjet, IF you don't have any NCR, I can post some up if you want, or mod & email & I'll laser them off, glue up & send them back to you when I do my next batch!

(Probably Sunday actually)

Premises like this you "should" be able to do the cct ID & include the reporting in the time I suggest?

HTH

 

[NozSpark]

Well, for one thing I know that the fire alarms and EM lighting have already been tested.

Most of the rest is just standard pub stuff; lighting, sockets, chillers, etc

One of the three phase circuits will be a submain to the kitchen DB this then has 2 three phase circuits, I'm guessing these will be for the cooker, dish washer or maybe the kitchen extraction.

Apparently there are no special licensing conditions.

 

[sparkyjohnny]

Check out regulation 114 with the local licensing dept in case they have a spec for pubs (many do) this may have a bearing on your pricing; drawings for example may be required

All the best

 

[Phoenix]

It depends what the specification for the job is Noz, perhaps in the absence of a specification you could draw one up, quote against it and issue it to the client so he knows exactly what he is getting for his money.

The problem you get is that as you get out the domestic sector, its not possible for perioidcs to be done on a basis of filling every box on the schedule... think how much it would cost to test for example a secondary school or a college .It becomes much more a case of applying suitable sampling and limitations so that the maximum possible number of faults may be identified at a price thats reasonable to the client.

I'm not sure if you read the IEE forum, but there is a good post on their from an ex NICEIC engineer called geofblackwell which is eye-opening, and certainly proved usful to me when I first started being sent to do larger PIRs

Its a point of view that will ruffle a few feathers on here, I'm sure, but IMHO if you price using that scheme you'll be many times more expensive than the competition... you might however find a handful more faults, though you won't ever find everything wrong with an installation though however long you spend there!, the idea is to stop trying to fill in every last box, and go and find the problems with the installation in the most cost effective manner.