Pros and cons

[green-hornet]

Have you ever done a pros and cons?

You know the type of stuff something you do or want to do, you make a list of everything positive, then everything negative ending in a pros and cons list!

Have you ever tried it with Part P?

Try it, and I bet you end up with more cons than pros.

In other words it is better out of it than in.

Costs less, no one cares anyway, and unless you do anything dangerous you will never ever be prosecuted.

As for competancy, you do not, and never have had to be, regulated by any governing body to prove this.

Ok it may cost for building regulations, but those who are not registered dont notify anyway, so its free

Dont get me wrong I agreed like most others when part p came about, but I like others thought it would be enforced.Sadly it is not.

I did 4 months writing a paper that was due to be a subject of a TV program, before it got hijacked. The main concern that I found was that out of all the surveys and questions put to officials, most authorities would sign off an installation even though no certificate was issued, simply because it was not found to endanger life or property.

Its a bit too late for me this year to test all that I know, but next year on my assesment, if I remember I would like to test this theory to the max.

I believe that if you are an electrician it is impossible for you to fail an assesment, given that all regulations are a guideline and not law.

Providing you have a valid reason for not doing something that is in the regulations, I can find no reason why you should fail.

Lets take one of my earlier posts.

I did two flats where the supply cable was 16mm twin and earth, with no additional earth supplied, after a cu change I decided that the 6mm main bond to water could stay (there was no gas to the flats), my reason for this was that although the regs ask for 10mm, what exactly would be acheived by doing so?

I am taking my assesor on those two jobs, I would love to see what he says, because if he thinks I am wrong, he will have to show me some calcs to prove himself, or I will just call him a numpty like all the rest.

I have inspected a few homes wired by none part p registered companies, and a few that have been, and although I did pick up 13 departures from regulations on one job alone, I could not say that the installation was dangerous so no action was taken.

Just beggars belief.

I would love to hear your views and maybe we should call on the authorities who take our money to actually enforce Part P so we can do our job properly.

 

[Lee321]

Have you ever done a pros and cons?You know the type of stuff something you do or want to do, you make a list of everything positive, then everything negative ending in a pros and cons list!

Have you ever tried it with Part P?

Try it, and I bet you end up with more cons than pros.

In other words it is better out of it than in.

Costs less, no one cares anyway, and unless you do anything dangerous you will never ever be prosecuted.

As for competancy, you do not, and never have had to be, regulated by any governing body to prove this.

Ok it may cost for building regulations, but those who are not registered dont notify anyway, so its free

Dont get me wrong I agreed like most others when part p came about, but I like others thought it would be enforced.Sadly it is not.

I did 4 months writing a paper that was due to be a subject of a TV program, before it got hijacked. The main concern that I found was that out of all the surveys and questions put to officials, most authorities would sign off an installation even though no certificate was issued, simply because it was not found to endanger life or property.

Its a bit too late for me this year to test all that I know, but next year on my assesment, if I remember I would like to test this theory to the max.

I believe that if you are an electrician it is impossible for you to fail an assesment, given that all regulations are a guideline and not law.

Providing you have a valid reason for not doing something that is in the regulations, I can find no reason why you should fail.

Lets take one of my earlier posts.

I did two flats where the supply cable was 16mm twin and earth, with no additional earth supplied, after a cu change I decided that the 6mm main bond to water could stay (there was no gas to the flats), my reason for this was that although the regs ask for 10mm, what exactly would be acheived by doing so?

I am taking my assesor on those two jobs, I would love to see what he says, because if he thinks I am wrong, he will have to show me some calcs to prove himself, or I will just call him a numpty like all the rest.

I have inspected a few homes wired by none part p registered companies, and a few that have been, and although I did pick up 13 departures from regulations on one job alone, I could not say that the installation was dangerous so no action was taken.

Just beggars belief.

I would love to hear your views and maybe we should call on the authorities who take our money to actually enforce Part P so we can do our job properly.

we know whats right GH but can you really see 10 or 1000 electricians lobbying for what is right making a change?

 

[Robojin]

I'm sorry but your government ain't listening

Think about it, Lord Mandy is planning to cough up

 

[Lurch]

Think about it, Lord Mandy is planning to cough up

 

[Robojin]

Up in the air I think Lurch,

but my point was that Part P will not be enforced as there is neither the political will or a financial lobbying from businesses with a vested interest

And after all we have Part P because an MP was personally involved in a tragedy and had the political will and motivation to see it through

So unless it wins votes, or generates significant tax revenue it's way down on the radar for now

 

[Apache]

If it's any consolation to you guys everyone thinks they are hardest done to.

Not just sparks getting extra red tape and bureaucracy thrown at them to do the same old decent job they always have done.

 

[sellers]

Part P waste of time. Your either a spark or your not, that should be it, with non sparks not being allowed to touch fixed wiring.

 

[Lurch]

And after all we have Part P because an MP was personally involved in a tragedy and had the political will and motivation to see it through

Which is exactly why you can;t police it. It isn't an industry movement, it's something that's been done to shut some MP up. Yes, some sort of scheme not unlike corgi\gas-safe for electricians would be good but I think the knee jerk reaction of part p has finished off that idea to the extent where most of the people who could have been behind it are now on the wrong side of it, and therefore against it.

 

[gselectrical]

Part P waste of time. Your either a spark or your not, that should be it, with non sparks not being allowed to touch fixed wiring.

I know what your saying sellers but atleast it "sort of" limits the amount of "Tom, Dick and Harrys" running around doing electrical work. Guinness

 

[Lurch]

I know what your saying sellers but atleast it "sort of" limits the amount of "Tom, Dick and Harrys" running around doing electrical work. Guinness

Depends on your point of view. If you were registered before you carry on as normal, but you can now charge more. If you're not registered you can do a 5 day course and become registered, they even have dumbed down schemes for crying out loud just for these people. They can also charge a premium. Now you have a massive market for cowboys as there is a huge gap in the market for cheap electrical works. Some savvy customers will get themselves a registered spark, who has been doing it for about a week and half rather than getting someone unregistered who has been doing it for the last 20 years.

 

[gselectrical]

Depends on your point of view. If you were registered before you carry on as normal, but you can now charge more. If you're not registered you can do a 5 day course and become registered, they even have dumbed down schemes for crying out loud just for these people. They can also charge a premium. Now you have a massive market for cowboys as there is a huge gap in the market for cheap electrical works. Some savvy customers will get themselves a registered spark, who has been doing it for about a week and half rather than getting someone unregistered who has been doing it for the last 20 years.

Good point Lurch, I didn't think of it like that. I started on my own a few months ago, only being 22, im sure im not half as frustrated about the whole "Part P thing" as older and more experienced sparks are. J

 

[Apache]

I know what your saying sellers but atleast it "sort of" limits the amount of "Tom, Dick and Harrys" running around doing electrical work. Guinness

Yes the "pro's" versus the "Cons" as mentioned in the title!