Reporting un-notified work

[D Brennan]

I am loosing work at the moment from a big landlord due to them using a non registered HANDYMAN, enough is enough so i want to report them.

I have addresses of were he has recently re-wired 2 properties.

who should i be telling labc? is there anything set up like gas safe so i can do online?

cheers

 

[biggy]

i know the feeling! but also dont know what i can do!

 

[Graham Lister]

Sorry I know this may be a polite forum but I dont understand how you know you lost the work? You cant lose what you never had! and for all intents and purposes the hanyman may be qualified just unregistered. Have a Guiness Drink and stop worrying about it!

 

[D Brennan]

Sorry I know this may be a polite forum but I dont understand how you know you lost the work? You cant lose what you never had! and for all intents and purposes the hanyman may be qualified just unregistered. Have a Guiness Drink and stop worrying about it!

Thats the point....unregistered...not notified.....dangerous.....but cheap.

Ive had regular work from them for years.

no he's not qualified either

 

[Graham Lister]

Oh, ok didnt realise you had regular work from them for years. Sorry about that. Perhaps you can make some money signing it off! :coat

 

[Apache]

Oh, ok didnt realise you had regular work from them for years. Sorry about that. Perhaps you can make some money signing it off! :coat

Graham - why not go here and tell us a bit about yourself?

 

[Apache]

I am loosing work at the moment from a big landlord due to them using a non registered HANDYMAN, enough is enough so i want to report them.I have addresses of were he has recently re-wired 2 properties.

who should i be telling labc? is there anything set up like gas safe so i can do online?

cheers

I have doubts you will get far but you can only try. If I was in your position I'd contact your scheme provider, LABC, your MP and write to the landlord.

How about contacting the local paper explaining the part P scheme etc and raise awareness in your area about 'known illegal activity'?

The more fuss you make the more likely you are to be listened to!

 

[D Brennan]

Oh, ok didnt realise you had regular work from them for years. Sorry about that. Perhaps you can make some money signing it off! :coat

you cannot sign off som1's work, and you wouldnt be stupid enough to either, definatly not a handymans

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

I am loosing work at the moment from a big landlord due to them using a non registered HANDYMAN, enough is enough so i want to report them.I have addresses of were he has recently re-wired 2 properties.

who should i be telling labc? is there anything set up like gas safe so i can do online?

cheers

Well I just put a very similar answer on this thread:-

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4338&page=2

But its applicable here so I shall post (slightly modified version):|Blushing

I would very much like to be proved wrong on this one but..

I don't think any legal action can be taken without a formal complaint from the person who has had the work done for them.

So if the customer don't want to kick up a stink cuz it was a friend of a friend who did the job and they are happy with the price and if they do complain it will tarnish their friendship with the person who passed the name of cowboy spark onto them!!!

So if the customer is happy OR even if customer may be unhappy..

but don't want to rock the friendship boat then there's naff all you can do about it.

Unless it directly affects you, you cannot complain about the quality of work that any trader has done at any other home or business!

Because IF the home owner/landlord/business is unwilling to open the door to let any investigating party in, you get nowhere!

I believe the initial point for complaints would either be to a Scheme provider,

(if it is one of their members who has been negligent) or Trading standards.

But again without a formal investigative report by some independent third party, it is just hearsay evidence and your word against theirs.

Also legally I believe the original person should be given opportunity to put the work right

Which is why... the original customer has to be involved..

Otherwise the cowboy Joe spark could in his defence quite legitimately say..

"but I hadn't finished & the customer wouldn't let me back on site!"

to prove otherwise in a court of law will be tricky without the consent & help of the customer!

 

[D Brennan]

Well I just put a very similar answer on this thread:-http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4338&page=2

But its applicable here so I shall post (slightly modified version):|Blushing

I would very much like to be proved wrong on this one but..

I don't think any legal action can be taken without a formal complaint from the person who has had the work done for them.

So if the customer don't want to kick up a stink cuz it was a friend of a friend who did the job and they are happy with the price and if they do complain it will tarnish their friendship with the person who passed the name of cowboy spark onto them!!!

So if the customer is happy OR even if customer may be unhappy..

but don't want to rock the friendship boat then there's naff all you can do about it.

Unless it directly affects you, you cannot complain about the quality of work that any trader has done at any other home or business!

Because IF the home owner/landlord/business is unwilling to open the door to let any investigating party in, you get nowhere!

I believe the initial point for complaints would either be to a Scheme provider,

(if it is one of their members who has been negligent) or Trading standards.

But again without a formal investigative report by some independent third party, it is just hearsay evidence and your word against theirs.

Also legally I believe the original person should be given opportunity to put the work right

Which is why... the original customer has to be involved..

Otherwise the cowboy Joe spark could in his defence quite legitimately say..

"but I hadn't finished & the customer wouldn't let me back on site!"

to prove otherwise in a court of law will be tricky without the consent & help of the customer!

Ive no idea whether your right or not but if you are then it just realy p****s me off, makes me wonder why i bother being registered.X(X( X(

Ive seen the blokes work in the past and believe me most of it is dangerous.

i would like to report him but i cant be bothered with all the hassle to end up nowere, somthing needs to be put into place for this sort of thing otherwise whats the point in part p etc etc X(

 

[sarni31]

If you know re wires have taken place and not been notified, you could always have a chat with your LBC officer , just to see where they stand. ; \

No harm in starting the ball rolling.

However Mr DIY Joe Spark may have got his registered mate from the pub to sighn off the jobs X(

Guiness Drink

 

[Apache]

i would like to report him but i cant be bothered with all the hassle to end up nowere, somthing needs to be put into place for this sort of thing otherwise whats the point in part p etc etc X(

Maybe it's this sort of apathy that compounds the problem?

If building control, trading standards, members of parliment and scheme providers were inundated with information day in day out then something would happen?

Maybe everyone need to report every single instance they come across, burden them to such a level that something will get done?!

Just a thought?

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

If you know re wires have taken place and not been notified, you could always have a chat with your LBC officer , just to see where they stand. ; \No harm in starting the ball rolling.

However Mr DIY Joe Spark may have got his registered mate from the pub to sighn off the jobs X(

Guiness Drink

If the work is part of some other notifiable work...

e.g. building an extension then LABC will have an involvement & jurisdiction to ensure bits are complied with..

but just a normal rewire... LABC have NO authority to enter a property to collate evidence for a prosecution without the co-operation of the home owner who will verify the identity of the person who did the work! :|

Unless they set up a surveillance sting.. (wot costs loads dosh to do!!! )

Otherwise the spark will just say.. I never been there or done that work?

Tis evidence and proof wot is needed!

An analogy may be trying to get the Police to prosecute the the bloke up the road who was Speeding last week down your road...

NO evidence.. No further action Me thinks!

 

[sarni31]

Maybe it's this sort of apathy that compounds the problem?If building control, trading standards, members of parliment and scheme providers were inundated with information day in day out then something would happen?

Maybe everyone need to report every single instance they come across, burden them to such a level that something will get done?!

Just a thought?

I got in touch with my LABC about self certing my own work .....it took over a week for a reply X(

The response basicly pointed out

 

[Evans Electric]

I understand your feelings , as you say, whats the point of us mugs paying into the Part P Scams ,oops Schemes while others just ignore it. It was said at the start of the great P , " How do you police it "? Well ,I don't think they can TBH. People have been reported to the NICEIC over the years but as far as I know they only act if their logo is being used.

Unless the scheme is as strict as the gas scheme , its never going to work properly.

I doubt if the LBCs will be bothered , I was told that Birmingham delete the online notifications . They are not set up for storing it all. The Building inspectors photocopy your cert so they must be storing the paper copy.

 

[sarni31]

I understand your feelings , as you say, whats the point of us mugs paying into the Part P Scams ,oops Schemes while others just ignore it. It was said at the start of the great P , " How do you police it "? Well ,I don't think they can TBH. People have been reported to the NICEIC over the years but as far as I know they only act if their logo is being used.Unless the scheme is as strict as the gas scheme , its never going to work properly.

If your local MP is not too busy sorting out his receipts at the moment. You could vent your frustrations out on themX(

Guiness Drink

 

[sarni31]

Ive just come across this link .... ; \

Maybe the tide is turning:|

looking at cables sad I know!

Guiness Drink

http://www.aeicables.co.uk/cgi-bin/news2.pl?newsId=130

 

[Evans Electric]

Ive just come across this link .... ; \Maybe the tide is turning:|

looking at cables sad I know!

Guiness Drink

http://www.aeicables.co.uk/cgi-bin/news2.pl?newsId=130

Yes but they only get stirred up if their name/logo is being used.

 

[sarni31]

True

but I wonder how many sparks have not renewed but still use the NIC logo?

Guiness Drink

 

[Evans Electric]

The last case I saw in the trade paper , NICEIC sued and won , mega thousands of pounds as I remember. They are very protective of their brand.