shaver spured of sockets

[sellers]

Is it wrong to spur a shaver off a socket? Unfused?

 

[matt.leung]

what are u spuring it off to...? is it another shaver socket, a light mirror or something else...

 

[Evans Electric]

I'd say use a unswitched spur unit ,3A fuse, 1.00 mm cable .

If its a bathroom then follow the necessary regs ,RCDs, Zones etc.

 

[sellers]

No, a shaver point is wanted in a bathroom, there's a socket almost directly behind it, I wanted to spur off the docket to power the shaver?

 

[Evans Electric]

My #3 then, Sellers.

 

[Apache]

Why do we need to fuse down? The MK instructions I found say terminal will take 4mm cable!

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/MK/K701.pdf

 

[Evans Electric]

Doesn't seem practicable to wire a shaver in 4mm or 2.5 Patch therefore you need to protect a 1.0mm with a fuse smaller than 32A . Same goes for the shaver really , if the windings go into meltdown , would it blow /trip a 32A or just melt .

Fluorescent lights usually say terminals will take up to 10mm . To wire them in 10mm would probably mean the final circuit was 25 miles long with a huge volt drop.

 

[sellers]

If manufactures instuctions and regs don't tell me otherwise, I don't see a problem with it? After all you get tranformers on phones etc that aren't fused.

 

[Evans Electric]

Doing it straight off the socket then Sells ?

 

[Lee321]

it will need fusing down if: the instructions ask for it.

the 2.5 off the socket is a spur and allowed no accessory needed between socket and shaver. bathroom regs may require it tho.

normally you would expect a shaver on a 10a max (lighting circuit)

as a side note. when a item of equipment requires a supply our first Q's are:

voltage,phases and current needed. we would as rule of thumb look for the next highest ocpd so in this case i would guess at 1a or less is required to power a shaver socket. as said we normally let these items go with upto 10a ocpd but imo i'd not like it to be higher so would fuse down.

 

[ADS]

I don't see how it can overload - or am I missing something?

 

[Lee321]

I don't see how it can overload - or am I missing something?

coil half goes down

 

[sellers]

The debate here is whether the shaver needs to be protected at a certain ampage. I've had one out at the wholesalers which doesn't have anything saying needs to be fused down.

 

[Apache]

The debate here is whether the shaver needs to be protected at a certain ampage. I've had one out at the wholesalers which doesn't have anything saying needs to be fused down.

Then there should be no need.

 

[Lee321]

something so small backed by 32a not my cup of tea.

 

[Apache]

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[roys]

Hi Patch

I think that is refering to 200mA in normal use, but the problem arises if the transformer burns out, and so the windings will short causing a larger current to flow. Must admit I would fuse it down via an unswitched fused spur.

Cheers Steve

 

[Andy™]

is it really that hard to put a FCU next to the socket you want to take a supply from?

 

[sellers]

no, but if I'm following BS7671 and Manufactures instuctions why should I? It would be nice to, but if I'm pricing to do it with the fused spur against someone who isn't, whos going to get the job?

Its like these made up regs the jurassic sparks have and the NIC.

 

[Evans Electric]

Jurassic sparks ? Thought it was "park". Interesting comment Sellers . What does that mean exactly.?