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About £2billion, or cost per household off all green technologies is about £41 per year - figures from the telegraph/ OFGEM. Solar is the cheapest part of that, about £5, because cost of deployment is lower than other technology, especially off-shore wind. It could also be argued to be the most useless as it only generates during daylight hours. Nuclear, I posted some figures previously, think that was about £80 per year per household, though if you add the cost of waste management about £250 per year according to Greenpeace. ( no doubt biased on the high side).

A gas power station is about £800m, coal about £1 billion - that's just to build. Problem is they take years/ decades to get off the ground and we need energy now to plug the gap as power stations are shut down. Cheaper than Green, but at what cost to the planet - figures are basically impossible to generate as no-one has accurate enough info for the cost of climate change resulting from CO2 emissions. You need to add figures like cost of household insurance, mine is around £250/ year, houses in flood zones £3k to £9k from figures on the news. The £9k figure is from the news tonight on a house that coast £200k to repair so that's £191k the rest of us are paying....

It's difficult to find unbiased figures, if you look at 'levelised' figures PV is one of the most expensive per kWh generated, but if you add the disposal costs and damage to the environment, it changes significantly and it's bloody quick to build! The materials in the panels can be recovered and re-cycled to boot - that will be a big industry in future.

I will have another search for some reliable figures. You can always read the OFGEM report all 115 pages on why they slashed the traiffs.

This article is interesting though, it's from the IMF.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companies-getting-10m-a-minute-in-subsidies-says-imf

and this from the Economist, alas American numbers, but UK would not be much different.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2014/08/cost-renewable-energy

and a last article which doesn't include costs mentioned in the IMF report. Fossil fuels have limited life, we need to develop alternatives

http://www.renewable-energysources.com/

 
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Canoeboy said:
Its ok, as a nation of shopkeepers with no real industry and the Government with its head in the sand, we will be buying energy from others that have invested and will be paying a premium price.
Nothing new there then :C  

So it's time for new thinking with a new approach- self sufficiency as a country? Now where have I heard that before? 

 
Yep, Coal not dole.... [Plus we could use our newly re-nationalised railways to carry the stuff. Generate electricity in our newly re-nationalised power stations, and anyone that got injured would be helped in the sections of the NHS that would be forcibly taken with NO COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER from twats like branson that have ALREADY been given them...

john.....

 
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coal - the evil fossil fuel according to tree huggers! :^O

118 years supply can't be ignored though. Persoanlly I reckon there is still a place for King Coal in new plants with carbon capture, using our own coal supplies to an extent to keep people employed. But we should contimue with green tech and reducing reliance on fossil fuels - the supply will last a lot longer then.

 
It used to be pulverised into a fine dust by monstrous milling machines, then blown into the furnaces.

I've seen them at Ferrybridge years ago.

Whether it's now ground even finer now, I've no idea.

 
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About coal we have to take into account that to remove it, there are two methods, under the ground - very expensive , or mountain top removal used in USA and all of these are really catastrophic for the nature . Of course, the silicon must be removed, but it is the material on the earth's crust.

 
I think it is ground up and blown in...... Not sure, just remember it from somewhere..

john..
As Achie said, it is pulverised to a dust finer than talcum powder.

Newer plants blow the fuel along with pulverised limestone so during combustion the carbon monoxide and sulphur are absorbed by the limestone to make CaSO4+H20 AKA gypsum and water.

 
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doesn't stop the CO2 emmissions though. Personally i think we should keep at least 1 coal mine working to keep the skills alive - we might need them in the future.

 
So all this stuff about coal would cause "acid rain" is lettuced then as the sulphur is removed by the limestone??

Start digging up the coal I say....

john...
I couldn’t agree more.

Many moons past (about 35 years) there was an EU moratorium banning the use of gas for electricity generation as it was wasteful and we had plenty of coal.

With the right technology coals act could be cleaned up, our dependence on imported fuel reduced, etc, etc. One minor problem, we have no accessible coal.

 
I couldn’t agree more.

Many moons past (about 35 years) there was an EU moratorium banning the use of gas for electricity generation as it was wasteful and we had plenty of coal.

With the right technology coals act could be cleaned up, our dependence on imported fuel reduced, etc, etc. One minor problem, we have no accessible coal.
That's okay, we can get some from the Chinese  :innocent

 
  5 hours ago, Tony S said:
I couldn’t agree more.

Many moons past (about 35 years) there was an EU moratorium banning the use of gas for electricity generation as it was wasteful and we had plenty of coal.

With the right technology coals act could be cleaned up, our dependence on imported fuel reduced, etc, etc. One minor problem, we have no accessible coal.
Coal always was a bit tricky to get at!!!! Can they not dig some more up like they used to?? Monkwearmouth colliery tunnelled out 5 miles under the north sea, cannot see it gets any trickier!!

john....

 
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