The time has come the Walrus said...........

[Sharpend]

I’m prepared to accept that there will be changes in the way and what we produce but is it really the apocalypse they’re making out? How many times have we heard the negative propaganda of these idiots, if we don’t join the Euro we are doomed, if we don’t go to war we will suffer here. They wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the face, reason being is no one knows what will happen it’s all speculation whether good or bad, but it’s easier to focus on the negative because if they focus on the positives and it doesn’t come to pass then they have the fear of looking stupid - well they are anyway so don’t see how that’s a fear, focusing on the negatives allows them to say I told you so, you were warned. Could you imagine if entrepreneurs, inventors or manufacturers focused on the negatives then nothing would ever happen.

Idiots the lot of them. 

 

[Blue Duck]

A nation of lions lead by donkeys....

If we get another referendum I'm voting leave, can't stand half a job.

 

[Sharpend]

If they had a stiffer approach two years ago perhaps our economy wouldn’t be so unstable now. Let’s face it it’s not the decision that causes the instability it’s the not knowing. So if they’d have just said we want this otherwise it’s a no deal at the first meet with the undemocratic EU then actually stood on that decision we would have already planned for a NO DEAL scenario and perhaps our economy would be on the verge of bouncing back by now. 

Its no good voting to extend the deadline date and hoping to plan our entire future in a matter of weeks. That really is amateurish, unless of course MAY has something hidden up her sleeve!!!!!

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Just wondering if anyone can explain....

If we roll the clock back two or three decades, we used to have a vast manufacturing base in this country...

So why didn't being part of the EU protect our manufacturing base?

Why did frictionless trade mean almost all of our industries have rolled friction free out the UK backdoor to some other county.. (some including other EU states)..

The news only seems to badger on about the car industry and its supply chain...

But we did used to have other major industries as well...

Glass / Ceramics / Pottery..

Clothing / Textiles / Shoes..

Confectionary.. (Chocolate!)...

Steel / Heavy Engineering..

etc..

etc..

etc..

Hasn't frictionless commerce just made it easier for foreign companies to buy-up our manufacturing base.. Then move it???

All we seem to be left with are Shopping Malls Centres, owned by foreigners...  selling goods manufactured outside of the UK.. 

I am in the Midlands..  

the opposite side of B/Ham from Dekeington Towers....

but what  I do know for a fact is that...  99% of the companies that used to exist when I started my apprenticeship are either houses or shops now!!

(redevelopment of brown-field sites they call it)

Garringtons/Round Oak/BSR/Marsh & Baxter/Stevens & Williams/Royal Brierley/Wedgwood/IMI/Lucas/Glynwed/GKN/Longbridge/Jeavons/Triplex/Cannon/Bronx/Helix/Plus loads of other names I can't remember....

were ALL major midlands employers...

Which were ALL in existence in 1973 when we joined the common market...

So why weren't maybe 30% of them saved and thriving now????

….?

…..?

Oh Yeah!!!

We made it easy to buy the company....

Then shift its manufacturing assets abroad...

:C

Maybe.....

Just maybe...

There is some minor benefit from  managing your own economy 100% yourself....

……….. BUT...  That does need leaders with the BALLS to make decisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guinness

p.s.

I do think that the rest of the EU are just as 'Sh-1-t' scared of loosing business, or making business complicated with the UK....

But them's wot is in power, don't want to make it easy for us..

as it will open the flood gates for others who want to get out!

Discuss!

:coat

 

[Sharpend]

That’s exactly where I’m coming from Specs. 

Ironic how they talk how much we have to lose yet never care to mention what’s been lost!! 

 

[Evans Electric]

Garringtons/Round Oak/BSR/Marsh & Baxter/Stevens & Williams/Royal Brierley/Wedgwood/IMI/Lucas/Glynwed/GKN/Longbridge/Jeavons/Triplex/Cannon/Bronx/Helix/Plus loads of other names I can't remember....

were ALL major midlands employers...

Its scary  Specs  ,   we did a load of work at Round Oak Steel  , massive steel works  with all those train lines & shunting yards ...  goods trains loaded with steel leaving all the time  , ..........whats there now ?  ...    all flattened to become   Merry Hill Shopping  Centre .      But where do you earn the money to go & shop at all these places? 

Over by Dekington Towers  I can only scratch the surface  of the huge employers that have disappeared .

Crabtree ,  MEM  ,  Bill Swtchgear ,   George Ellison ,   IMI ,  GEC  Generators & transformers ,  Longbridge ,  Hardy Spicer ,  Cincinatti Machine Tools,  the Gun Quarter gone ,  The Jewellery Quarter decimated,   LDV  Vans ,  Metro Camell  ,  British Steel  ,  GKN  Forgings  ,  Morris Commercial ,   etc etc  .

I think Jaguar / Land Rover  are getting a few packing cases put by .     Never mind , we can all go and spend the money we don't have  in the Bull Ring  ...Oh no we can't I forgot ,  the council are banning all vehicles built before last week  from entering the emissions  exclusion zone .      

 

[binky]

Just wondering if anyone can explain....

If we roll the clock back two or three decades, we used to have a vast manufacturing base in this country...

So why didn't being part of the EU protect our manufacturing base?

Why did frictionless trade mean almost all of our industries have rolled friction free out the UK backdoor to some other county.. (some including other EU states)..

The news only seems to badger on about the car industry and its supply chain...

But we did used to have other major industries as well...

Glass / Ceramics / Pottery..

Clothing / Textiles / Shoes..

Confectionary.. (Chocolate!)...

Steel / Heavy Engineering..

etc..

etc..

etc..

Hasn't frictionless commerce just made it easier for foreign companies to buy-up our manufacturing base.. Then move it???

All we seem to be left with are Shopping Malls Centres, owned by foreigners...  selling goods manufactured outside of the UK.. 

I am in the Midlands..  

the opposite side of B/Ham from Dekeington Towers....

but what  I do know for a fact is that...  99% of the companies that used to exist when I started my apprenticeship are either houses or shops now!!

(redevelopment of brown-field sites they call it)

Garringtons/Round Oak/BSR/Marsh & Baxter/Stevens & Williams/Royal Brierley/Wedgwood/IMI/Lucas/Glynwed/GKN/Longbridge/Jeavons/Triplex/Cannon/Bronx/Helix/Plus loads of other names I can't remember....

were ALL major midlands employers...

Which were ALL in existence in 1973 when we joined the common market...

So why weren't maybe 30% of them saved and thriving now????

….?

…..?

Oh Yeah!!!

We made it easy to buy the company....

Then shift its manufacturing assets abroad...

:C

Maybe.....

Just maybe...

There is some minor benefit from  managing your own economy 100% yourself....

……….. BUT...  That does need leaders with the BALLS to make decisions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guinness

p.s.

I do think that the rest of the EU are just as 'Sh-1-t' scared of loosing business, or making business complicated with the UK....

But them's wot is in power, don't want to make it easy for us..

as it will open the flood gates for others who want to get out!

Discuss!

:coat

This is Tory policy to the core - free market capitalism, oohh the shareholders say, I can get an extra 1% on my shares if we shut the Birmingham plant and move production to China ( and from China to Vietnam now apparently). That and assett stripping, lets buy a factory, shut it down, sack all the staff and redevelop it as shiny new flats for a quick profit! I watched a programme about this a while ago, even the assett strippers were surprised the government (Thatcher mostly) allowed them to get away with this, but that's free market capitalism at its best... Apart from the job losses, it also means washers made in that factory for 150 years now have to be bought from abroad.

A classic on-going version of this is Plymouth Airport. Sutton Harbour Holdings Ltd  leased the site from the council as a working airport on a 99 year lease. Somehow it was legal to shut the airport and build houses on the runways. The knock on effect of this is no-one will move a business to Plymouth because of a lack of easy air-access, there's airports in Newquay and Exeter, guess where people are moving businesses to? 

 

[Evans Electric]

A fasteners factory by me  ( Tucker Fasteners )  there since 1903   , was sold to Black & Decker / Emhart   who shut it down , moved it to Germany  who had trouble tool setting  , shut it down ,moved it to France  , dunno what happened there .  Its now back in the UK  , up north somewhere  .

The original site now has a brand new ,shiny ,   three year old , empty  wearhouse to let  .