trying to get going...

[danny7299]

Hi there

Hope you are all well and that you are keeping busy...

I will give you a little background before I give you question...

I am currently coming to the end of my 2330 L3 and I am booked to do my 17th edition and my NVQ3 at the end of summer, and towards the end of the year I will book my 2391.

What my question is, I eventually want to be self employed (I must be mad) and I am looking at getting enrolled on to a scheme (NICEIC Domestic this year) and possibly (NICEIC Contractor next year)...

I have been offered an extension job which is due to start on 26th May and I would like to do it for 2 reasons, 1) its a job I can show the NICEIC and 2) Money!!!!!

My main question's are:

* What bits of paper do I need for the NICEIC Domestic i.e. 17th, 2330 L3?

* My understanding is that the NICEIC need to see some of your work, so if I take on the extension I will need to inform the local authorities as I won

 

[Apache]

Danny, someone who knows far more about this will chip in I'm sure, but I have 5 minutes to kill.

I can't answer the parts about the NICEIC but can link you their website! In terms of registering as a DI or a AC what scope of work do you intend to be doing? What gaps in your local market have you identified. My understanding (from reading posts and absorbing the information) is that to be an approved contractor the assessment is much more rigorous. If you want to do domestic and some light commercial you should be ok as a DI (AFAIK). Will save you a bit of cash to. If you are after bigger contracts etc then AC may be req.

The beauty of an extension job (again AFAIK) is that it will already have been notified to BCO (hopefully) and this will serve as your notification to BCO! Shouldn't cost you a bean. Best to be in contact with them and let them know what's happening. They have to inspect at both 1st and 2nd fix and then test at the end (or employ someone to do the testing - more usual).

There's no reason why you can't take the job - would be a good one for your assessment I'm sure. If you are just changing a CU or doing other notifiable work then you need to inform BCO before starting work and often pay a fee (although other members have had the fee waived for sparks using it as part of an assessment for a part P scheme.)

Have you seen Horny's excellent thread on joining a part P scheme?

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3668

 

[green-hornet]

Any electrical work carried out requires that the work be done by a competant person,and to the requirements of the BS7671 2008 wiring regulations.

The work you describe would also come under part p and builing control will need to be informed.

To be on any scheme you will have to have at least the 17th edition under your belt.

Without this you can not join a scheme.

Your best option at this time is to visit your local building control and explain what you are in the proccess of doing, the work will have to be notified before the work starts, they may given your past exam results allow you to certify the whole job without any involvement from them.

If not ask them how much they would charge for any inspection, I think you will have to get your 17th before they would except a signed certificate from you.

You can join the NICEIC before you are ready for assesment, and they will give you time to get the work ready, however you will be charged from the date of registration and not from the date of assesment.

In England you have to be registered on the domestic installer scheme, so it would depend on what work you go into as to if it is worth becoming an approved NICEIC contractor.

 

[Andy™]

My main question's are:

* What bits of paper do I need for the NICEIC Domestic i.e. 17th, 2330 L3?

Not sure about NIC, but i joined & passed Elecsa assessment as a 2/3rd year app with 16th done a few years previous

* My understanding is that the NICEIC need to see some of your work, so if I take on the extension I will need to inform the local authorities as I won

 

[Evans Electric]

If you are not registered with a scheme you are supposed to inform the Local Building Control ( I believe) . In my area (Birmingham) they charge approx.

 

[Andy™]

. In my area (Birmingham) they charge approx.

 

[green-hornet]

see here - clearly states that it is for LABC to arrange I&T at their expense

BUT they do need to pay for this service and this is reflected in the initial costs.

I have worked for my local authority and the first fix is inspected and the second fix, before any testing is carried out.

I charge per visit, and the local authority are invoiced per visit I always advise the client that the works carried out are done on a timetable so it only requires the minimum of visits.

Being the nice person I am I often call without any charges to advise if required.

The majority of work I do inspect are from qualified electricians who do know what to do but are not a member of any part p scheme.

Thats why building control are notified, because they know the rules, its the fly by nights who never tell anyone and do what they like who we need to catch.

 

[Andy™]

.The majority of work I do inspect are from qualified electricians who do know what to do but are not a member of any part p scheme.

got to then ask why they are not providing certs for their work? or is it LABC will not accept them and want another view?

 

[Evans Electric]

There is so much confusion with Part P . But AFAIK B,ham LBC send a registered Part P sparks as they do not have there own, and he has to be paid , hence the

 

[green-hornet]

Most of them are in full time employment and are doing a favour for a mate or family, they know the rules and to be fair are very compliant.

It would not be in their interests to be a member of a sheme, because thats not how they earn their living.

One guy I did recently was a head electrical engineer with a doctorate in some weird science, but was not part p so he let me do that for him.

Never treat your client as stupid is my new motto.

 

[Andy™]

There is so much confusion with Part P . But AFAIK B,ham LBC send a registered Part P sparks as they do not have there own, and he has to be paid , hence the

 

[Andy™]

Most of them are in full time employment and are doing a favour for a mate or family, they know the rules and to be fair are very compliant.It would not be in their interests to be a member of a sheme, because thats not how they earn their living.

One guy I did recently was a head electrical engineer with a doctorate in some weird science, but was not part p so he let me do that for him.

Never treat your client as stupid is my new motto.

Good to see them making an effort to do work to standards and getting it signed off legally. unlike many others who part p hasnt effected

 

[Andy™]

strange how this thread is now the LABC thread.... and so far, from there its staying on topic! (although O/T from the first few posts!)

 

[Evans Electric]

Most of them seem to wander , and Apache is'nt even online yet.

Do you think he knows I had a :x last week ? Did I mention that ?

 

[Andy™]

Most of them seem to wander , and Apache is'nt even online yet. Do you think he knows I had a :x last week ? Did I mention that ?

yes, we all know you had a :x last week. and here's some shocking news, Admin2 give everyone a :x so your not along anymore!

 

[Evans Electric]

they should keep the info - what if they find some dodgy work on a property and want mroe info. if they have no record cause they didnt keep them, then they would have no idea if it was notified or not, or who done the workSo you would think. I give my certs to the builder, who gives it to the inspector, who photo copies it and gives it back to the builder who gives it to the client. So they must be keeping paper copies but not storing electronically. Still thats their problem , I did'nt invent the system , once its written they can do what they want with them .

 

[Andy™]

i dont think LABC would keep EIC anyway. i thought all they would keep is the notification from scam provider saying this work was done at this house on this date by this person. i never have to submit any EIC's to elecsa, so they wouldnt have anything like that to give to LABC anyway

 

[green-hornet]

Never underestimate the Apache he is there if not even shown

 

[Apache]

Never underestimate the Apache he is there if not even shown

thanks - but why?

?:|

 

[a2]

yes, we all know you had a :x last week. and here's some shocking news, Admin2 give everyone a :x so your not along anymore!

Well i cant give one without the other now can i?

:x