3 phase auto star/delta - logic wiring

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kme

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Just spent 7 soddin hours on a new starter (see above).headbangheadbangheadbang

One dinky little problem - I must be getting old, `cos I can`t get my head around this one TEENSY little bit:

The Main contactor pulls in, and latches inself, through the "satisfied" switch. This supplies the timer - 3 wire model, which I`ll come to in a min.

Timer supplies Star contactor, which pulls in for approx 5 seconds, then drops out. However, voltage across timer then collapses, and star contactor pulls back in before the delta contactor does anything.

The timer has 3 wires; lets call them 1, 2 and 3.

wires 1 & 2 provide timer operation; wires 2 and 3 are a time-delayed, N/C switch.

Lets call the coil wires from the star contactor Sa1 and Sa2

And the ones from the delta..... yup. Da1 and Da2

ignoring the un-necessary bits:

L1 to Sa2

L2 to timer1

timer2 to Sa1 and Da1

L3 to timer 3 and Da2

So: at start, we have short circuit between timer2 and timer3, effectively putting L3 and L1 across the star contactor; with L2, and L3 supplying the timer wires 1 and 2 (via the coil of the delta contactor.)

My thinking was that, when the switch opened after the time delay expired:

timer 2 has become O/C from timer 3. Delta coil is now supplied via L3 and timer wire 2, through the timer load and wire1,from L2

BUT.......

The moment the star contactor opens; the delta "begins to move", however for whatever reason (think I`m losing operating voltage on the timer), timer resets, wire2 from the timer shorts to L3 again, and the star contactor closes again, for a new timing cycle.

Somebody tell me what I`ve missed. Please?

KME

 
Either I've drawn your description badly or you circuit's nonsense!

When the timed contact opens (the way that I've drawn it from your description admittedly!) timer coil and star contactor coil are in series between L1 & L2 and timer coil and delta contactor coil are in series between L2 & L3

I'm hoping I've misunderstood!

The timer and contactor coils, are they 230V or 400?

 
need to see a circuit. draw it or scan it in. Sounds to me like you are missing an auxilliary contact somehwere. There is usually aux contacts to prevent both S and D contactors pulling in together. As riggy says, check coil voltages and make sure. 230. 400 could even be 110V or even 24VDC

 
Coil voltages, and timer voltage are correct. (400v)

I`ve not included aux contacts for "clarity", as there are quite a few.

Agree with you rev. think I`ve omitted one somewhere.

I`ll do a drawing in a bit, when I thaw out a bit......

 
I built a panel for a 200hp fan motor in a quarry plant once. I got all the wiring right for the contactors and auxilliaries and timers. The only thing I got wrong was putting the star connection (basically a short) on the wrong side of the contactor. Which meant an almighty bang when you pressed that start button as there was basically a dead short across the terminals of the star contactor! Didnt think to test it, just connected everything up and turned it on!

 
Power wiring isn`t at fault - it is deffo in the logic....

I found diagrams online, but they use a timer relay, with changeover contacts; which`d be easy. This flippin timer is doing me nut in!!!!!!!!

 
I have found a diagram which might help it use a timer with single pole single throw normaly closed contact I have highlighted the three wires that I think are an internal connections in the timer. Test the aux contact on the contactor for correct operation useing a continuity tester , peg the contactor to test .Sorry "peg" means to operate the contactors by hand ie push in with a screwdriver.

stardelta.JPG

 
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