Yeah I was being a bit silly. Sorry :innocent
50 Years Too Late But........................
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Labour used to be the party of the working man, its only when they went soft Tory to get elected that they started to ignore that.
As for being deluded, who the firk has continued to keep letting EU migrants in, before and after the last labour government???
the whole system is the problem, just totally lacks joined up thinking
Useless toffs!
That's all.
That's all.
labour was the party of the working man long before this generation,
let me think who let the floodgates open, and who was it defended them all,
oh, it was the labour leader and her husband,
dont ever try and defend the indefensible,
Labour would have sold the whole of the UK out if they hadnt needed the scots vote,
all the ancillary parts were there to be bargained off to the highest bidder,
have you seen the labour memos to Thatcher during the hunger strikes?!
thought not,
do you have any idea what they would have done during the Falklands conflict?
do you think they would sell Gibraltar to the Spanish?
Labhour are the benefit culture government, the proof is in the votes leaving labour and going UKIP,
yep, votes are leaving the posh tory boys too, but labour is nothing more than tory wannabees anyway nowadays,
labours ideals 'should' lie in a socialist society, surely the USSR has proved it doesnt work,
there is no such thing as equal, animal farm et al
some will always be more equal than others,
yes, I hate Labour with a passion, they are responsible for the murder of some of my good friends.
Sharpend
"It Just Is"
You've answered the old labour questions yourself binks, new labour left the labour part at the gates when they went Tory!
I must admit that I'm just a tad bit worried about it all. I have no intention of ever being on the recieving end of benefits, but say for example me and BF would like to start a family (something that we hope to happen in a few years time). We get lucky, have a couple of kids and life is good. But what if something was to happen to BF and I would be a widow? What if the money I earn isn't enough to cover my family's needs? Or I have to cut down my hours because I would be on my own and can't manage to work full-time and look after the kids? (BF's family would not be of great help with this.)
At that point I would have contributed to the system for at least 10 years and in my hour of need some people would still argue that I should get nothing. Is that really fair?
At that point I would have contributed to the system for at least 10 years and in my hour of need some people would still argue that I should get nothing. Is that really fair?
Sharpend
"It Just Is"
It's alright swede, it'll never happen with DC in charge, we're still waiting for a referendum that we were promised!! Never mind he's going to have to fight Europe on his proposals, this is why his peer (Mr Farage) has put it out there today that his proposal won't work unless were out of Europe, perhaps that's another policy DC will borrow :innocent
the former USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship and is rapidly returning to that under Putin. Now just remind me how perfect the Tory leaership of this country has been Steps?
The old school labour of the 60s and 70s had also lost its way, too much striking and not enough working, but as Miss Sweden has just remineded us all, the state should be there to help those genuiniely in need, like the founding priciples of the old style quaker foundations ike Rowntrees and Cadburys which are heavily tied to the founding principles of the original labour party.
WTF happened to the truely conviction politicians whether you agreed/ strongly disagreed with the likes of Tony Benn or Enoch Powell politics today is sanitised, boring and generally wishy washy, and oh look UKIP are doing well so Camreoon suddenly announces 'getting tough on immigration'. Lots of hot air and soon to be broken promises.
The old school labour of the 60s and 70s had also lost its way, too much striking and not enough working, but as Miss Sweden has just remineded us all, the state should be there to help those genuiniely in need, like the founding priciples of the old style quaker foundations ike Rowntrees and Cadburys which are heavily tied to the founding principles of the original labour party.
WTF happened to the truely conviction politicians whether you agreed/ strongly disagreed with the likes of Tony Benn or Enoch Powell politics today is sanitised, boring and generally wishy washy, and oh look UKIP are doing well so Camreoon suddenly announces 'getting tough on immigration'. Lots of hot air and soon to be broken promises.
any state under a socialist government must be totalitarian otherwise it just wont work,
it wont work anyway, but thats not what mrs blair attempted,
Im glad to see you agree the unions tried to bring this country to its knees, and they would have succeeded if it hadnt have been for Maggie, just like the irish and american state funded terrorists , again Maggie stood up to them,
something the lily livered labour and its supporters would never have done,
NOT once have I said the tory party were perfect, they are far from it, but they wont seel out half of GB just to appease their pansy supporters, when you can tell me the tories have your friends blood on their hands then talk sense, until then I can honestly say the labour party has the blood of a lot of my murdered friends on their hands,
I dont think I have said the tories are so good, unlike yourself binky who keeps banging on about how great labour are,
I have never voted tory, for a long long time, even as a British citizen I was denied a vote for the British government, ah, that was a labour idea too wasnt it, only allow the parts of GB that we will win vote for us, give NI a devolved parliment because we cant win there,
this goes back even further than devolution and home rule for Ireland, its 19th century, so may I suggest you seek some historical facts on how labour have treated those who dont agree, a bit like Putin perhaps??????
BTW, do you know who was in government during the Great War ?
Careful guys please.
give over Sidey, this is a good argument opcorn
let me see who has currently bankrupted the country? Was it the unions? was it labour? No it was greedy self interested money grabbing global capitalists. And no I'm not banging on about how great Labour are but I trust them to look after ordinary people far more than the Tories who have sold out the country to appease the desires of big business. Who owns EDF, who owns British Gas, who owns the water in your taps, in fact who owns just about any thing you can think of that is essential to the workings of the UK, and yes the Thatcher does have the blood of my friends on their hands - you forget where I live, Plymouth is a Naval City. Some didn't return, those who did certainly came back different men. Most have since left the country which says something in its own right.
As for voting remind me who last changed all the voting boundaries, and as for Thatcher, remember using troops in Police uniforms against miners peacefully protesting for their jobs. (Scargill was a prat though and fell into the trap, but he was right and there is no coal industry left). Also remember who controls the very biased news papers.
Asquith and LLoyd George were Liberals not Labour so get your own facts right
opcorn let me see who has currently bankrupted the country? Was it the unions? was it labour? No it was greedy self interested money grabbing global capitalists. And no I'm not banging on about how great Labour are but I trust them to look after ordinary people far more than the Tories who have sold out the country to appease the desires of big business. Who owns EDF, who owns British Gas, who owns the water in your taps, in fact who owns just about any thing you can think of that is essential to the workings of the UK, and yes the Thatcher does have the blood of my friends on their hands - you forget where I live, Plymouth is a Naval City. Some didn't return, those who did certainly came back different men. Most have since left the country which says something in its own right.
As for voting remind me who last changed all the voting boundaries, and as for Thatcher, remember using troops in Police uniforms against miners peacefully protesting for their jobs. (Scargill was a prat though and fell into the trap, but he was right and there is no coal industry left). Also remember who controls the very biased news papers.
Asquith and LLoyd George were Liberals not Labour so get your own facts right
All I said was please be careful.
The debate is fine, IMHO, both sides have sold out to different factions.
Just keep it polite, please.
Else it is useful to air these opinions in public, hopefully "big brother" will be monitoring as they do, and realise, hopefully, all is not sweetness and light.
The debate is fine, IMHO, both sides have sold out to different factions.
Just keep it polite, please.
Else it is useful to air these opinions in public, hopefully "big brother" will be monitoring as they do, and realise, hopefully, all is not sweetness and light.
yes, its a good arguement,
labour forced the conscription act on Ireland, although it was never enacted, it caused a catalyst that would end in the 1922 seperation,
divide and conquer as they say, that was labours aim.
mmmm, thatcher using troops in uniform against striking miners,
shoulda gassed them all I say, dont like your job get another one, dont blame someone else,
yep, not PC, what about all these people nowadays that 'cant get a job' when they actually mean,
I cant get a job paying 15£/hr when I have no skill,
dont get me wrong, I wouldnt want to work down the mines, and its not perhaps the miners fault,
but, the term lambs to the slaughter comes to mind, why did they blindly follow Scargill????
GREED
is the answer
as for your friends in the navy losing their lives,
when you take your country's shilling you have signed up to lay down your life,
there are no IFs or BUTs about it,
if you are not prepared to fight and die, dont sign up, they were sent to do what they agreed to do, it was their job.
I dont see how defending the Falklands even compares to state funded terrorism.
but defending the Falklands, how does that compare to being the usa lapdog and just going to war because the usa wants the oil money?
I agree, most of our utilities have been sold off, that pratt Beeching in the '60s started it all off with the railways , not worth keeping now,
then it has snowballed,
so, how do we get them back?
I dont think we can,,,,,,,,,,
do we start again,?
as much as I like Farage, and would vote him, I think his plan would be 2 rubber bands and a lollipop stick.
so, whats the solution, a workers federation state?
this is the epitome of what the Labour government forced upon the British Solider
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8NpaT5LDFgM?feature=oembed
labour forced the conscription act on Ireland, although it was never enacted, it caused a catalyst that would end in the 1922 seperation,
divide and conquer as they say, that was labours aim.
mmmm, thatcher using troops in uniform against striking miners,
shoulda gassed them all I say, dont like your job get another one, dont blame someone else,
yep, not PC, what about all these people nowadays that 'cant get a job' when they actually mean,
I cant get a job paying 15£/hr when I have no skill,
dont get me wrong, I wouldnt want to work down the mines, and its not perhaps the miners fault,
but, the term lambs to the slaughter comes to mind, why did they blindly follow Scargill????
GREED
is the answer
as for your friends in the navy losing their lives,
when you take your country's shilling you have signed up to lay down your life,
there are no IFs or BUTs about it,
if you are not prepared to fight and die, dont sign up, they were sent to do what they agreed to do, it was their job.
I dont see how defending the Falklands even compares to state funded terrorism.
but defending the Falklands, how does that compare to being the usa lapdog and just going to war because the usa wants the oil money?
I agree, most of our utilities have been sold off, that pratt Beeching in the '60s started it all off with the railways , not worth keeping now,
then it has snowballed,
so, how do we get them back?
I dont think we can,,,,,,,,,,
do we start again,?
as much as I like Farage, and would vote him, I think his plan would be 2 rubber bands and a lollipop stick.
so, whats the solution, a workers federation state?
this is the epitome of what the Labour government forced upon the British Solider
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8NpaT5LDFgM?feature=oembed
forgot to mention we also have 42 Royal Marines and 45 Commando regiments in Plymouth, both of whom saw many years service in NI. My mates preferred the Falklands - proper fight with an enemy you can see.
53rd state of the USA - both parties are guilty of that one. About time we stopped spending billions on political power egos.
The solution - oh heck that's a long debate, but one that is very overdue. As I said earlier, I've a liking for the the Quaker philosophy of business, work hard make money and then do something bloody useful with it like look after your workers properly, put money into supportimg the truly needy, help people to help themselves, but above all business with morals - sadly lacking these days.
Was watching the F1 and couldn't help notice the 'yachts' moored up. I like the national Trust aswell, not for preserving the bling houses of the formally very wealthy, (which actually annoy me a bit, though you have to admire some of the craftmanship) but for their manangent of land. There's something very unequal in the world, and distribution of wealth is very much part of it.
53rd state of the USA - both parties are guilty of that one. About time we stopped spending billions on political power egos.
The solution - oh heck that's a long debate, but one that is very overdue. As I said earlier, I've a liking for the the Quaker philosophy of business, work hard make money and then do something bloody useful with it like look after your workers properly, put money into supportimg the truly needy, help people to help themselves, but above all business with morals - sadly lacking these days.
Was watching the F1 and couldn't help notice the 'yachts' moored up. I like the national Trust aswell, not for preserving the bling houses of the formally very wealthy, (which actually annoy me a bit, though you have to admire some of the craftmanship) but for their manangent of land. There's something very unequal in the world, and distribution of wealth is very much part of it.
not wanting to detract too much , but this video shows a lot of stuff I grew up with day 2 day,
now, one thing perhaps I should say, i spent a LOT of my childhood in the RVH , its a kids hospital that backs onto the Falls road, [im sure you heard of it], the British Army are not allowed to fall fire on a hospital site, didnt stop others using it as a base though,
now, my point on this is, I believe if Maggie hadnt got power late '70s that i would not have been a British citizen by the time I came to the UK, [there is a difference between being British and being United Kingdom]
the images in this I grew up with, some are still relevant,
my missus, a Manchester lass, still cant get over armed polis, and she has been a few times now,,,,,
this is only one of the reasons I detest Labour so much, they let it get out of hand instead of snubbing it at the first opportunity.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/slBUvn7sK8c?feature=oembed
and, then you get the Jews, and the Balfour treaty,
and their abuse of it, as if its their right,,,,,
now, one thing perhaps I should say, i spent a LOT of my childhood in the RVH , its a kids hospital that backs onto the Falls road, [im sure you heard of it], the British Army are not allowed to fall fire on a hospital site, didnt stop others using it as a base though,
now, my point on this is, I believe if Maggie hadnt got power late '70s that i would not have been a British citizen by the time I came to the UK, [there is a difference between being British and being United Kingdom]
the images in this I grew up with, some are still relevant,
my missus, a Manchester lass, still cant get over armed polis, and she has been a few times now,,,,,
this is only one of the reasons I detest Labour so much, they let it get out of hand instead of snubbing it at the first opportunity.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/slBUvn7sK8c?feature=oembed
and, then you get the Jews, and the Balfour treaty,
and their abuse of it, as if its their right,,,,,
I'd say you'd have nothing to worry about whatsoever Sweedie . Especially after 10 years . In my mind you are welcome here , you are working , learning a useful trade , paying taxes , a Forum member !!! Any problems just mention my name ....Deke ..Forum Wonder Spark of the whole Cosmos.
Just a side note there Steppers .....Harvey Andrews went to my junior school.yes, its a good arguement,
labour forced the conscription act on Ireland, although it was never enacted, it caused a catalyst that would end in the 1922 seperation,
divide and conquer as they say, that was labours aim.
mmmm, thatcher using troops in uniform against striking miners,
shoulda gassed them all I say, dont like your job get another one, dont blame someone else,
yep, not PC, what about all these people nowadays that 'cant get a job' when they actually mean,
I cant get a job paying 15£/hr when I have no skill,
dont get me wrong, I wouldnt want to work down the mines, and its not perhaps the miners fault,
but, the term lambs to the slaughter comes to mind, why did they blindly follow Scargill????
GREED
is the answer
as for your friends in the navy losing their lives,
when you take your country's shilling you have signed up to lay down your life,
there are no IFs or BUTs about it,
if you are not prepared to fight and die, dont sign up, they were sent to do what they agreed to do, it was their job.
I dont see how defending the Falklands even compares to state funded terrorism.
but defending the Falklands, how does that compare to being the usa lapdog and just going to war because the usa wants the oil money?
I agree, most of our utilities have been sold off, that pratt Beeching in the '60s started it all off with the railways , not worth keeping now,
then it has snowballed,
so, how do we get them back?
I dont think we can,,,,,,,,,,
do we start again,?
as much as I like Farage, and would vote him, I think his plan would be 2 rubber bands and a lollipop stick.
so, whats the solution, a workers federation state?
this is the epitome of what the Labour government forced upon the British Solider
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8NpaT5LDFgM?feature=oembed
really???
jeez Deke,
you get about a bit,
OZZY
now Harvey Andrews,,,,,
jeez Deke,
you get about a bit,
OZZY
now Harvey Andrews,,,,,
Thanks Deke
can I use your name as a get out of jail card when I play monopoly too?
Not being as familiar with NI politics as yourself I'm still a bit intrigued as to why you think Labour are responsible for the armed conflict that arose from the IRA. From memory at that particular time in history, governments changed almost yearly. Can't see how any one government could have stopped the 'bomb and ballot' box campaign or directly caused it?
I do remember Thatcher constantly moving the goal posts when the IRA did finally offer a truce which nearly resulted in there not being a peace deal and the current NI assembley - can't blaim her for not trusting the IRA after trying to kill her, but nearly scuppered what seems to be turning out to be a bloody good thing!
Out of interest, do you think the splitting off the 6 counties from the rest of Ireland should have happened? Always strikes me as slightly daft idea, but I can see how it happened given the cultural differences. I also don't understand why the hell Spain hasn't invaded Gibraltar to take it back - couldn't imagine Spain occupying, for example, the Lizard peninsula.
I do remember Thatcher constantly moving the goal posts when the IRA did finally offer a truce which nearly resulted in there not being a peace deal and the current NI assembley - can't blaim her for not trusting the IRA after trying to kill her, but nearly scuppered what seems to be turning out to be a bloody good thing!
Out of interest, do you think the splitting off the 6 counties from the rest of Ireland should have happened? Always strikes me as slightly daft idea, but I can see how it happened given the cultural differences. I also don't understand why the hell Spain hasn't invaded Gibraltar to take it back - couldn't imagine Spain occupying, for example, the Lizard peninsula.
