Commercial kitchen

[NozSpark]

Sockets,

RCBO or RCD sockets??

All cables singles in trunking / conduit!!

 

[Apache]

Sockets,RCBO or RCD sockets??

All cables singles in trunking / conduit!!

yes definitely put some sockets in. Single ones

 

[Apache]

Noz some posters are guilty of giving us too much information and padding. Not you! Straight in there. No context, no setting. Straight for the jugular.........

Is this a general query or a specific job?

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Sockets,RCBO or RCD sockets??

All cables singles in trunking / conduit!!

COMERCIAL

sockets will be used by trained or supervised persons?

and not likely to be used to power outdoor equipment?

Room doesn't contain a bath or shower?

AFAIK.... NO RCD protection required? ?:|

unless I missed a point somewhere??

 

[Apache]

Even if no RCD required wouldn't one be beneficial? A lot of water about in a kitchen.

 

[NozSpark]

Noz some posters are guilty of giving us too much information and padding. Not you! Straight in there. No context, no setting. Straight for the jugular.........Is this a general query or a specific job?

Hey, what's the problem Patch??

I think I gave all the information that anyone would need, just because I don't write a story, song and dance or Diatribe (isn't that Specs word of the day??) there's a problem... ; ) ; )

Don't you ever get clients who give you a big story about what has happened to their pet, when all you want is the information that you need to diagnose their pet's illness.

But anyway, just for you...

It is a proper job, to fit out a new commercial kitchen. The supply is 3 phase and all the cable will be singles in trunking and conduit. All high power equipment will have dedicated circuits, these sockets will be for general low power equipment. As sockets need RCD protection, I would prefer RCD sockets, but the cost is going to be a good but more..

 

[Apache]

Hey, what's the problem Patch??I think I gave all the information that anyone would need, just because I don't write a story, song and dance or Diatribe (isn't that Specs word of the day??) there's a problem... ; ) ; )

Don't you ever get clients who give you a big story about what has happened to their pet, when all you want is the information that you need to diagnose their pet's illness.

But anyway, just for you...

It is a proper job, to fit out a new commercial kitchen. The supply is 3 phase and all the cable will be singles in trunking and conduit. All high power equipment will have dedicated circuits, these sockets will be for general low power equipment. As sockets need RCD protection, I would prefer RCD sockets, but the cost is going to be a good but more..

extra drivel drives me mad!

I was just asking

Gave you a scoob mind for the word of the day!

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Even if no RCD required wouldn't one be beneficial? A lot of water about in a kitchen.

yes but not naked wet bodies more susceptible to electric shock!

well not in most kitchens anyway!!! ; \

Reg's DO NOT regard a kitchen as a 'Special Location' (thats a good nameBlushing] )

 

[Apache]

KME's word of the day

 

[NozSpark]

yes but not naked wet bodies more susceptible to electric shock!well not in most kitchens anyway!!! ; \

Reg's DO NOT regard a kitchen as a 'Special Location' (thats a good nameBlushing] )

Someone should use that as a name!!

But aren't all socket outlets under 20A required to be RCD protected unless they are marked for a specific purpose??

 

[Apache]

yes but not naked wet bodies more susceptible to electric shock!well not in most kitchens anyway!!! ; \Reg's DO NOT regard a kitchen as a 'Special Location' (thats a good nameBlushing] )

not especially hygienic

or safe if frying food (splatter!)

:|

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Someone should use that as a name!!But aren't all socket outlets under 20A required to be RCD protected unless they are marked for a specific purpose??

only if used by "ordinary persons" {untrained unsupervised}

411.3.3 (i)

see exception notes (a) of 411.3.3 page 47.

ALL commercial type persons would most likely undergo a H&S procedure at the commencement of their employment..

some training OR been supervised by their gaffa!

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

not especially hygienicor safe if frying food (splatter!)

:|

show me your battered haddock patch!!!!BlushingB-) :^O :^O:^O:^O:^O

 

[Apache]

show me your battered haddock patch!!!!BlushingB-) :^O :^O:^O:^O:^O

it's frozen solid and my digital camera is in me car. PM me and I'll describe it for you

 

[NozSpark]

The only thing is, is that this property is only a kitchen and nothing else (they supply meals on wheels), so it has no maintenance team.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

The only thing is, is that this property is only a kitchen and nothing else (they supply meals on wheels), so it has no maintenance team.

Are the 'cooks' employed or volunteers?

If employed and paid a wage..

They MUST come under health & safety at work and undergo some basic induction training when they start.

which IMHO means they are trained persons.. {not trained electricians}

but trained so as to not fiddle with appliances or the installation,

report any defects

All appliances will have PAT tested.. (or PA tested for Mr slips! :x )

Only used the sockets in the manner they were intended..

e.g. not bringing their own leads and toasters from home

The skilled or instructed person is NOT a qualified spark..

just someone who has been taught to avoid electrical dangers.

pg 25 (bottom) & pg 29 (1/4 from bottom)



IF unpaid volunteers however it may be a different matter?

You is the man who will have to ***** the risks of the installation.

 

[NozSpark]

Yeh,

These days it's all a matter or risk (liability) limitation, so I think it'll be RCD sockets. He will go with whatever I recommend!!

 

[300TDI]

Ive just completed a rewire on a cafe, sounds a similar type of job, all conduit and trunking, but this was single phase so in went a dual rcd board, i was a little concerned about nuisance tripping but all is well, and the board has a few non-rcd ways if anything needs to me moved over, and i am happy knowing that all the circuits are protected, not sure if rcd is needed but just my preference on this job

 

[Evans Electric]

I think if it was a school kitchen , say, with spec from local council architects or from private consultants, they would specify RCD , Think I'd go for one too,

Deke

 

[batty]

Just finished a commercial kitchen for girl guide place. I used all Rcbo's as system was TT. So Rcd or not was not a concearn but I think I would still have put Rcd in for peace of mind if system was TNS OR TNCS and I did supplementary bond all metalwork.

Batty