Commercial kitchen

[bassman]

Commercial or industrial definition.

Definetley not domestic.

Surley depends on standard of installation and containment, as I have stated before you will not get an Architecht or Consultant to committ themselves.

As they leave it to the boys on site, if it goes pear shaped it is not thier fault follow the specification.Drawings.

Advise and go with your knowledge you are competent.Site wise.

Some area's cannot be protected by RCDs due to the situation of the work area. People who may be in that envireoment hence Special locations.

Spell checker required this time of morning.

 

[septiclecky]

If it is like any commericial kitchen I've seen when they come to clean down they trorw water around like nobodies business so to be on the safe side put on RCD.

 

[NozSpark]

All cabling will be in singles in PVC trunking around the ceiling and PVC conduit drops to PVC surface boxes....

I am going to RCD the sockets, but the question is do I RCD the whole circuit (I know it's not required for the cabling)and have a faulty appliance trip several sockets or do I fit RCD sockets and play it safe (but at more expense)????

On the occasions that I have been in places like this it is obvious that they do not have any real thoughts about electrical safety (re. appliances)

 

[batty]

Noz

On the one I did I put a circuit in for the sockets and another circuit in for the appliances as there where 3 fridges and a dishwasher although as always things where changed about and they go a big industrial dishwasher which the water heater point that was not being used was used for. How many sockerts are there in the kitchen you are doing and appliances.

Batty

 

[NozSpark]

If I remember there are..

3 x 3.15kW ovens

1 x hob (32A supply)

1 x fridge

1 x freezers

3 x hot cupboards

1 x dishwasher

1 x hand wash

2 x extractor hoods

1 x waste disposal

+ about 6 sockets for general kitchen stuff

8 x 6' single anti corrosive fittings

Apart from the ovens and hob all the appliances are supplied via plug top

The fridge and freezer are on 24/7 (as you'd expect), and the hot cupboards are only on during the day.

 

[batty]

I think I would put a few circuits in and have them on Rcbo's.

Batty

 

[NozSpark]

I think that's probably the best idea...

And dedicated radial with single sockets (NO RCD) for the fridge and freezer!!

 

[batty]

Sounds good to me.

Batty

 

[Andy™]

you could have non-RCD'd sockets for fridge etc, and RCD sockets for general use on the same circuit?

depends on how much they want to spend, and if its really worth coming in one morning and finding out the entire fridge contents need replaced because someone left a faulty kettle plugged in

 

[batty]

you could have non-RCD'd sockets for fridge etc, and RCD sockets for general use on the same circuit?depends on how much they want to spend, and if its really worth coming in one morning and finding out the entire fridge contents need replaced because someone left a faulty kettle plugged in

Thats what he said have you been on kme'sGuiness Drink

Batty

 

[Andy™]

Thats what he said have you been on kme'sGuiness DrinkBatty

maybe i should read all the thread before replying

 

[NozSpark]

Just finished doing it ---- well I'm still to do the final appliance connections and secure some of the sockets to the wall (after some steel splash backs have been installed)

Here's some photo's this is the last one in the set

 

[Apache]

Just finished doing it ---- well I'm still to do the final appliance connections and secure some of the sockets to the wall (after some steel splash backs have been installed)Here's some photo's this is the last one in the set

nice work Noz

 

[sarni31]

is the pot washer classed as skilled/supervised?

they may want to plug in a radio near to the sink and listen to some pot washing tunes

Guiness Drink

 

[NozSpark]

All washing of utensils, pots and pans etc will be in a dishwasher...

There are going to be 2 sinks; one for washing and preparing fruit and veg, the other for hand wash.

All sockets, apart from 4 x high level (and marked up - "Fridge/freezer only Not RCD protected) are RCD protected..

 

[Andy™]

nice work there