December PE mag.

[Evans Electric]

A letter in this months PE raises an issue we have discussed on here before but worth revisiting .

Letter titled "HOW MANY COWBOYS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT?"

The writer is that Peed off he is hanging up his tool bag. He remembers the cases at the start of Part P when two contractors were nailed to crosses as examples to the rest of us . Since then everyone struggles to quote any others . He makes the point ,as we did, that those who were bullied into joining the clubs end up paying out the subs and other exes, each year while the non registered sail happily onward .

 

[Voltimax]

I think part p has been a success...for the cowboys....

Let's face it, some of them are now registered and legal and still bodging.

 

[Evans Electric]

I'm wondering if anyone has heard of any other sparks taken to court for not complying with Part P other than the original two . One was a bathroom fitter from Newcastle I think.

 

[batty]

Well I had my assessment today and passed. Personally I think the only way part p will work is the scheme operators have a list of your customers they should random test some to see what sort of work you are doing. I personally would not mind this. They won't do it though because that would cost them money. But really it the only way part p will work.

 

[exbdc]

I can sympathise with you guys over this.

I personally know of one guy who is essentially a gifted DIYer doing domestic & commercial renewable energy insallations with no accreditation, certification or qualifications.

 

[SteveT]

I can sympathise with you guys over this.I personally know of one guy who is essentially a gifted DIYer doing domestic & commercial renewable energy insallations with no accreditation, certification or qualifications.

If you are sure and can produce evidence, why don't you let the LBC know who, where, why , what, when?

Or Dominic - he like dodgy tradesmen - he will name and shame

You can do all this anonomously. headbang

 

[spinlondon]

Unfortunately it is not upto the tradesman to notify, it is the householders responsibility.

Of course if a tradesman states that he is Part P registered when he is not, then that is a matter for trading standards.

Building Control are not interested in whether a person purports to be Part P registered or not. It is not within their remit to persue bogus tradesmen, that is for trading standards.

If someone were to report to Building Control that some work had been carried out which had not been notified, all they would do is chase the housholder, by serving enforcement orders and non compliance notices etc.

 

[aidanb19]

If you are sure and can produce evidence, why don't you let the LBC know who, where, why , what, when?Or Dominic - he like dodgy tradesmen - he will name and shame

You can do all this anonomously. headbang

If he's not bodging it, or ripping people off why report him?

Everyone agrees part p is a scam, so if he is doing a good job and getting payed for it, good luck I say.

 

[Sidewinder]

Why report him?

He's taking work away from those of us who do things legally that's why!

 

[aidanb19]

So reporting him gets him caught, fined, he changes his ways and you get the work?

Get real!

I see from other posts you know what you are doing and have 'earned' your AC status so to speak, but you know as well as I do that being with nic, elecsa, napit etc. does not guarantee that you are any good in many cases.

What i'm saying is, he is probably doing a better job than many who are registered (kitchen fitters etc.)

 

[Sidewinder]

Oh Sunshine I have earned much MORE than my humble AC status.

If I could report and shut down every operator who was non compliant I would without any remorse or second thought.

I can't wait for the day I am the expert witness against one of these muppets and it WILL come.

That should give you a clue that I am no "ordinary" AC!

 

[aidanb19]

The AC comment wasn't being sarcastic even if you took it as so.

We're not going to agree here, I would willingly report dangerous or rip off work, I wouldn't report non-part P work that was done well.

I can understand why people would, especially if undercut by them. But from what i've read nothing happens about it (as per evans electric first post), as nobody seems to care.

Let the groans continue

 

[Andy™]

If he's not bodging it, or ripping people off why report him? Everyone agrees part p is a scam, so if he is doing a good job and getting payed for it, good luck I say.

becuase I, along with many other here, spend hundreds per year joining a scam to be able to do work legally. why shouldnt he be reported?

why do i get the feeling that your one of those who isnt registered but continues to do the work and not notify

 

[kme]

I wonder if Aiden knows the costs involved in being registered?

Methinks either he hasn`t a clue; or knows and chooses not to pay up, which explains his sympathy with the non-reg`d brigade.

Aidan: why do you THINK we spend hundreds of pounds on registration, certification, courses, exams, assessments, paperwork, etc? Do you really think we`re going to stand idly by whilst some jumped-up DIY`er comes in at a stupid price (because he doesn`t have our costs, and may well be claiming benefits too!).

Yes, I DO believe that if we report these people, they`ll either go be a carpenter, or go get qualified properly ( :slap ) ; then they`d HAVE to price properly, and would be on an even footing with the professionals, as regards costs - then we`re more likely to get the work.

Its simple really - some of us do our work properly and to the rules, others don`t, which allows them to cut corners and costs. I`m not saying they all do; but the option is there.

KME

 

[aidanb19]

KME - A fair assumption I guess from my posts but not true. I will be with one of the providers at some point within 6-8 weeks apparently. So yes I do the know the cost, tomorrow I will be spending

 

[kme]

Oh, I agree that it is unlikely to - all the more so, as long as there are those who choose to "ignore" the problems these people pose to our industry, and indeed livelihoods.

But the fact that there isn`t likely to be a comeback on them says something about the attitude the collective have toward them - the more we report them, the more likely it will become that they DO have to face repercussions and ramifications of their actions.

KME