Defined scope part p

[buttonit]

Hello, can anyone tell me, what you can actually do on a part p defined scope? I have looked everywhere to try and see what you can actually do, but with no joy. ie, can you add lights to a circuit, and sockets on a ring final etc. Thanks.

 

[batty]

I think defined scope is for alarm installers that want to add a spur of ring main and gas installers that want to install ch controls or put a spur in for heating system supply. I don't think they are allowed to add extra circuits.

 

[tom1]

nic web sight had got it all defined

Pritty much minor work I think

 

[Evans Electric]

Just ploughed through my ELECSA stuff but it doesn't say.

Pretty sure its for Kitchen and bathroom fitters to alter and add to wiring but not install new circuits . And Heating fitters to wire up boilers , I assume.

Someone will know, keep looking.

 

[Andy™]

itll be linked to the trade of person - i.e kitchen fitter would only be allowed to work in kitchens, heating installers only allowed to install heating controls etc

 

[green-hornet]

Part P Defined scope, is trade limiting.

For instance if you fit kitchens you apply to move or replace sockets/cables in the kitchen.

You are not allowed to fit a shower, wire the boiler in, or change the cu, unless your the gardener !

(last bit my joke).

The whole idea behind the defined scope was to allow trades that require minor alterations or works involving electrics could do so without the need for a qualified electrician to do it for them.

However this defined scope has been greatly abused, and I have heard of instances where some have done full rewires etc etc.

 

[buttonit]

Thanks, do you know if you can fit lights in bathrooms, like for instance, changing the one main light for several downlights, permitting you dont overload the circuit, and install extractor fans? I am at the moment getting in touch with niceic, and all the other bodies.

 

[Andy™]

not unless your reg'd or notify to LABC

 

[green-hornet]

Thanks, do you know if you can fit lights in bathrooms, like for instance, changing the one main light for several downlights, permitting you dont overload the circuit, and install extractor fans? I am at the moment getting in touch with niceic, and all the other bodies.

From the sounds of it you would like to be Part P registered.

The works you describe do not come under the Defined Scope registration.

Any work that requires reporting to your local building control, is governed by Part P of the Buildings Act.

The most obvious, is areas defined as special locations ie:

Garden/Outside installations

Kitchen

Bathrooms

Then there are the reportable works such as:

New consumer units

Installation of new circuits

amongst many others.

If you want to carry out any of these types of works then you must be fully registered as a Part P installer (DI).

 

[Doc Hudson]

Hello, can anyone tell me, what you can actually do on a part p defined scope? I have looked everywhere to try and see what you can actually do, but with no joy. ie, can you add lights to a circuit, and sockets on a ring final etc. Thanks.

ELECSA Defined scope;

http://www.elecsa.co.uk/schemelevels.aspx?SearchString=DEFINED SCOPE

NICEIC Defined competent part way down this page;

http://www.niceic.com/en/contractor/article.asp?SECTION=15&ARTICLE=9

NAPIT Have a bit here;

http://www.napit.org.uk/qualsElec.asp

and another bit in FAQ here;

http://www.napit.org.uk/membership.asp#13

Some more food for thought Buttonit.

Doc H.