Domestic Inspection and test - EICR

[sparky2504]

Hello Guys

I have a question i'd like your views on if you don't mind.

Carried out test recently and these are the main details.

7th Floor Flat

TNS supply

Main switch DB.

1 General ringmain protected by 61009

2 Kitchen radial circuit protected by 60898

All other circuits protected by 60898's

All wiring for circuits is either in metal conduit within walls (less than 100mm deep)

or surface mini-trunking.

Supplementary bonding IS present to bathroom.

So, SATISFACTORY or UNSATISFACTORY.

Comments welcomed..........

:coffee :slap

 

[shed69]

What age.....?

I'd say that someone has in recent years added a socket possibly to the general ring main and has rightly so by the sounds of it installed an rcbo????

 

[sparky2504]

What age.....?I'd say that someone has in recent years added a socket possibly to the general ring main and has rightly so by the sounds of it installed an rcbo????

Installation approx 15 years old Fuseboard is MK and RCBO is 2 way module so i'd guess it was installed this way originally.

You used to be able to give a code 4 to socket outlet circuits in locations where outside use is unlikely, as this is a 7th floor flat

would this now be a code 3?

Installation is satisfactory I feel, just unsure if the above is still just a non compliance with BS7671 or worse?

 

[NozSpark]

The only reg that stops this being a C3 is the one about the installation being under the control of a skilled or instructed person - that's for both burried cables and socket outlets <20A. As this is domestic then these regs don't apply and in my book it's a C3 (improvement recommended)

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Only C1's and C2's would make an installation Unsatisfactory

 

[shed69]

code 3 mate, its unlikely to be used outside, and im guessing there is no socket in shower/bathroom......have a look at ESC site Best practice guide 4.... Download it and away you go....

 

[sparky2504]

Thanks guys, much appreciated.

 

[kme]

Now I`d have to say that the type of occupant could have an impact - as could the ownership & purpose of the flats.

It may be a C2 - the sockets are in the kitchen; where water and/or heat are routinely used.

I think that, dependant on circumstance, I would be hovering between C3 and C2.

 

[shed69]

Now I`d have to say that the type of occupant could have an impact - as could the ownership & purpose of the flats.It may be a C2 - the sockets are in the kitchen; where water and/or heat are routinely used.

I think that, dependant on circumstance, I would be hovering between C3 and C2.

In what situation would you give it a C2 ? Just asking.....

 

[kerching]

Right then, sorry for resurrecting this thread but I must have been asleep/not paying attention/mind on other things etc etc , so please bear with me.

Whilst enthusiastically ambling around ELEX last week I lingered by the NICEIC Miniature ampitheatre. In doing so I caught the very tale end of some mutterings by Herr Oberleutenant Cable. He was talking about filling in a Domestic EICR and in particular the lamp rating/thermal damage checks to the surroundings of recessed lights and pointed to section 7 of the Domestic EICR, which he had in full colour up on the screen. He or his minion advocated the purchase of B.U.M. Cam [more money, I digress] to view the inaccessible surroundings.

[Puts on NOMEX and awaits the Maelstrom]

So to my question, I have just been perusing the 'Large Verdant Tome' on another matter and could not see a reference to this Domestic EICR. Have I missed something? Has Mr Merlot come out to play early? Was I asleep? or am I just being 'as thick as a whale omelette'? I feel the latter may point to the truth....... :coat

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Forgot to add that I do so little Domestic that this ,as yet, has never become an issue :Y

 

[brummydave]

Right then, sorry for resurrecting this thread but I must have been asleep/not paying attention/mind on other things etc etc , so please bear with me.Whilst enthusiastically ambling around ELEX last week I lingered by the NICEIC Miniature ampitheatre. In doing so I caught the very tale end of some mutterings by Herr Oberleutenant Cable. He was talking about filling in a Domestic EICR and in particular the lamp rating/thermal damage checks to the surroundings of recessed lights and pointed to section 7 of the Domestic EICR, which he had in full colour up on the screen. He or his minion advocated the purchase of B.U.M. Cam [more money, I digress] to view the inaccessible surroundings.

[Puts on NOMEX and awaits the Maelstrom]

So to my question, I have just been perusing the 'Large Verdant Tome' on another matter and could not see a reference to this Domestic EICR. Have I missed something? Has Mr Merlot come out to play early? Was I asleep? or am I just being 'as thick as a whale omelette'? I feel the latter may point to the truth....... :coat

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Forgot to add that I do so little Domestic that this ,as yet, has never become an issue :Y

IIRC the model forms in BS7671 refer to the EICR schedule (Form 7) as "Schedule for DOMESTIC AND SIMILAR PREMISES WITH UP TO 100 A SUPPLY

Note: This form is suitable for many types of smaller installation not exclusively domestic"

I think the NICEIC have done their own version of the forms, and probably relabelled it as only for Domestic. I am aware that the regs Form 4 - the test results schedule - has a column missing for number of points served, but napit, niceic etc include it on their forms.

They do like to have branded ones

hope that helps!

PS In the nicest possible way, what the heck is a B.U.M. cam?

 

[kerching]

IIRC the model forms in BS7671 refer to the EICR schedule (Form 7) as "Schedule for DOMESTIC AND SIMILAR PREMISES WITH UP TO 100 A SUPPLYNote: This form is suitable for many types of smaller installation not exclusively domestic"

I think the NICEIC have done their own version of the forms, and probably relabelled it as only for Domestic. I am aware that the regs Form 4 - the test results schedule - has a column missing for number of points served, but napit, niceic etc include it on their forms.

They do like to have branded ones

hope that helps!

PS In the nicest possible way, what the heck is a B.U.M. cam?

HE mentioned section 7 and pointed to about 4 or 5 lines asking about lamp rating, fire stopping of holes, connections, proximity to beams etc. He advocated removing one fitting and fitting B.U.M. Cam up the hole and having a snoop. If you remove the full stops from the B.U.M. Cam it should become self explanatory! CPC have them on offer at 68 quid plus VAT at pres.

So I take it that we are not using the model certs in the regs book but INSTEAD some that the NIC have made-up????

 

[steptoe]

I have a torch and a mirror, thats always been my method, until I get a lot of money I dont need it will probably remain my method. :|

 

[kerching]

I have a torch and a mirror, thats always been my method, until I get a lot of money I dont need it will probably remain my method. :|

Agreed! I have 2 mirrors on sticks [dental 32mm diam and a larger 40 x 80mm]

They live in the tool box, camera when I remember it is always in the van. I only bought camera on a whim, it is handy , but not that handy....battery needs charging, cant find charger, camera gets too close etc etc

A miiror and the MkI eyeball is far more resilient............ :coat

What are your [publishable] views on my Domestic EICR conundrum? or pm me if NOT publishable!!

 

[Patrick Kidger]

What next? I use cam with flash on HTC wildfire.

They will soon expect us to have x ray eyes.

 

[steptoe]

Agreed! I have 2 mirrors on sticks [dental 32mm diam and a larger 40 x 80mm]They live in the tool box, camera when I remember it is always in the van. I only bought camera on a whim, it is handy , but not that handy....battery needs charging, cant find charger, camera gets too close etc etc

A miiror and the MkI eyeball is far more resilient............ :coat

What are your [publishable] views on my Domestic EICR conundrum? or pm me if NOT publishable!!

its a dumbed down tick list to make it easier for people that dont know what they are doing to fill out.