Install Of Meters...?

[matt.leung]

I have a client that owns a two flats and has asked me if I can install two electrical meters as he want to rent them out.  Is this somthing that we can do or not, or does the DNO have to get involved to do the install.
I have not as of yet seen the set up of the electrical supply.

many thanks

 

[Badger]

id have thiought you would instyall them as a private type in each flat and leave the dno for the whole suypply

 

[Sharpend]

Concur with the badger.

 

[ProDave]

If you want a coin in the slot meter I have one in the for sale section :innocent

 

[Sharpend]

But have you a pair Dave?

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

Nothing for a pair, not in this game 

 

[Evans Electric]

Yes you can .  Your client has already decided to re-sell power to his tenants so , assuming the flats are electrically seperated , you can fit a meter to each one .  

a)  Coin meter.

b)  Card meter .

c)  Normal read-out meter .  

 

[Andy™]

as above, you can fit private meters. not really your problem, but he should also be aware of laws regarding reselling of electric, i.e he cannot make a profit from it if its domestic, or something along those lines

 

[Sharpend]

Is that because he's not got an infrastructure to maintain ??? Unlike the util co's?

 

[kme]

If you DO want coin meters - Dave has one for sale - and I have another, EXACTLY like it

 

[Andy™]

Is that because he's not got an infrastructure to maintain ??? Unlike the util co's?

no. something to do with reselling electric laws or something. iirc, if its commercial then you can sell it and make some profit, but for domestic you cant make profit from it. and i dont think you can recover the running costs of you selling topup cards etc either, only what it has cost you to buy the electric in the first place. may have changed now though, was a few years since i looked at any of it

 

[Sharpend]

Is that because you were caught? Or is it because you haven't been caught?

 

[Andy™]

Is that because you were caught? Or is it because you haven't been caught?

just something i found whilst looking at some meters etc for a job

 

[batty]

They have to be the proper meters also I think can't think of the term and don't forget Megger Mark sells them.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

I have a client that owns a two flats and has asked me if I can install two electrical meters as he want to rent them out.  Is this somthing that we can do or not, or does the DNO have to get involved to do the install.

I have not as of yet seen the set up of the electrical supply.

many thanks

no. something to do with reselling electric laws or something. iirc, if its commercial then you can sell it and make some profit, but for domestic you cant make profit from it. and i dont think you can recover the running costs of you selling topup cards etc either, only what it has cost you to buy the electric in the first place. may have changed now though, was a few years since i looked at any of it

As Andy says there are a few legal loopholes about re-selling of electricity which prevent anyone selling power at a higher rate than what they purchased it...

This law changed back in Jan 2003...

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/ofgem-publications/74486/11782-resaleupdateoct05.pdf

I remember as it also had implications on caravan parks who used to made a charge per night for an electrical connection to your caravan or mobile home..

so although you can quite legitimately purchase and install some of your own additional meters for monitoring consumption there could be problems if your "private" meter is not accurate and overcharges the tennant...

A lot of tenants take out their own contract direct with a supplier of their choice, as such they would need a pukka legit meter that the DNO & supplier recognise on their system..  (four of my kids when renting at Uni have all had to take out their own supply contracts.)

It can be done where landlord resells electricity he has purchased but I would get the client to verify that he fully understands the options before going ahead and doing some work he may then say he's changed his mind!!

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_energy_and_water_supply_e/consumer_energy_supply_e/consumer_energy_bills_e/consumer_paying_your_energy_bills_e/paying_your_landlord_for_energy.htm

 

[NozSpark]

I would have thought that the way around this would be to include an inclusive service charge with the rent that includes up to and including a certain number of units and that any extra would be charged at the suppliers rate.... The only problem would be judging the inclusive number of units

 

[ProDave]

There is nothing illegal about re selling electricity.  You just can't sell it for profit. So make sure your meter is accurate, and if using a coin slot meter, set the units per £1 a bit over so if anything you are slightly under charging.

The "problem" with caravan sites is they used to charge a fixed price per night for electricity.  They can't do that any more.

So now what they do is give you free electricity. But of course the price per night to stay on the site went up a bit, and you have to pay it now regardless of whether you use electricity or not.

That worked well then didn't it?

The only alternative would have been for them to fit a meter to every individual electricity socket and charge each caravan according to exactly how much they used during their stay, with no element of profit.