Is there any advantage?

[Sharpend]

I am contemplating doing the CG2396, question is as a self employed person is there any advantage to doing it? 
what aspects of design does it cover that we perhaps don’t already cover? 
 

thoughts? 

 

[Sharpend]

enough said?!

To answer the question...

I guess not!! 
 

 

[binky]

Having just looked at the what the course covers, I don't see a lot of point to doing it. 

 

[Sharpend]

Having just looked at the what the course covers, I don't see a lot of point to doing it. 

thats exactly what I was thinking, so what is the purpose of the course, or am I missing something? 

 

[binky]

thats exactly what I was thinking, so what is the purpose of the course, or am I missing something? 

unless is offers some form of advanced design?? . Sounds like the sort of course just qualified people might use / want ie those used to being told what to do rather than having to think about it for themselves. 

 

[Sidewinder]

I felt it was a good idea and a useful course.

It made me think about things differently and allowed me to apply different philosophies to 7671 design that I had learned elsewhere, but not thought of applying in this way.

 

[binky]

thats exactly what I was thinking, so what is the purpose of the course, or am I missing something? 

thinking a bit more about this, there isn't a course I have ever regretted doing. I've always learn't something, and as Sidey has pointed out, it may just alter the way you look at things, .  I've found with some courses, even if you don't learn much new stuff, they reaffirm your current approach as being the best for what you do. It's easy to get stuck in a rut and a bit stale sometimes. 

 

[Sharpend]

Ok gents you’re now pushing me in the direction of doing it. 
I need to find somewhere local to me that does it and get some more details. 

 

[binky]

Ok gents you’re now pushing me in the direction of doing it. 
I need to find somewhere local to me that does it and get some more details. 

I would look at the cost, then go 'how much' and probably not bother 

 

[Sharpend]

It’s not so much the cost it’s finding somewhere to do it, living in Lincolnshire let’s say it’s not the most technically driven county!! So if it means I have to travel to far or stay away to do it then it gets real costly. 

 

[Sidewinder]

Can you not do it via distance learning?

 

[Sidewinder]

David is running one soon, do you want me to ask him when?

https://sparkyninja.com/webinars/proposals

 

[Sharpend]

Can you not do it via distance learning?

I didn’t know it was available on distance learning. 

Thanks for the link, I’ll look into it. How do they propose the written exam is done? Would it be a local college attendance for exams? 

 

[Sidewinder]

Register interest and ask them?

I'm not sure how it is going to work.

I know that they were working with C&G on a solution.

Another option I know that has been used is to travel to a hotel and use a conference room there for regs exam in the past.

 

[Sharpend]

Ok I’ll register an interest and take it from there.
Thanks Sidey. 

 

[Sidney]

I found it really useful. We went a lot more in depth into the regs but on how to interpret and apply them rather than just the standard 18th edition exam of finding them and sticking down the answer. The actual design aspect I didn't find difficult at all.

The exam was two hours of pain and TBH was the hardest exam I've ever done. I know my exam was a 60% fail rate.

I found the project interesting to do, quite hard to get started but once I got my head into it I flew through it, just took me six months to get started due to workload etc.

You can dig out the examiners reports here and see where the main failings are: https://www.cityandguilds.com/qualifications-and-apprenticeships/building-services-industry/electrical-installation/2396-design-erection-and-verification#tab=documents

https://www.cityandguilds.com/-/media/productdocuments/building_services_industry/electrical_installation/2396/additional_documents/examiner-reports/2016/2396_chief_examiners_report_december_2016-pdf.ashx

 

[Sidewinder]

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The exam was two hours of pain and TBH was the hardest exam I've ever done. I know my exam was a 60% fail rate.

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I wouldn’t argue with that, & I had done my Bachelors and my Masters by the time I did the 2391 design course.

Mine was completely closed book though. No regs, no osg, no gn3 nothing but my recall and understanding.

 

[NozSpark]

I thought about doing the old version of this (2400) after doing my 2391,, but I'd had enough by then.....