isolation access

[avinalarf]

Can't look in BRB at the moment...

Can someone tell me whether I would be responsible to rectify or just note on the EIC that isolation for kitchen appliances was inaccessible?

Client had kitchen fitted in October and fitters didn't provide isolation for washing machine or dishwasher X(

Cheers

 

[Apache]

Nat,

Are they just plugged in to the ring?

What are you doing that requires the EIC?

 

[sparkyork]

if your doing a conumer swap or something, then it would just be a note im sure, like if it was a PIR you'd decide on what code to give it, code 4 perhaps?

 

[avinalarf]

It'll be a CU upgrade. BTW, she wasn't provided with a certificate either. They extended the ring in the kitchen and provided a light outside!

 

[ianmacd]

Then maybe she should notify Building Control about the rogue sparks.

 

[sparkyork]

ah i c, if it turns out the light is wired a bit dodgy like fused at 32amp or something, id disconnect it, think if you spot an immediate say fire risk for example you need to make it safe. but youre not liable to pick the remedial works up out of your own pocket. a pir before doing the test often tells both parties whats what, but in this climate the customer dont want another

 

[mikel]

I did a consumer unit exchange for my niceic assessment. The washing machine and dishwasher were both under unit fittings. Neither had isolation that was accessible, they could be isolated at consumer unit by 'switching off the ring mcb'. I just noted the fact on the EIC and the inspector didn't question it.

 

[avinalarf]

Thanks guys. Another query...

Apologies if this is a dumb question (as I suppose anything can go wrong!), but is it possible for a brand new RCBO to fail??? I was doing an auto RCD test and I couldn't reset the RCBO after the 2nd or 3rd trip. I've removed it and after awhile it can switch on, but when you turn it off again and try to switch it back on, it doesn't work.

 

[sparkyork]

yeah absolubtly possible, its a mechanical device that can fail. i hate having to put to much faith in them.

 

[batty]

Thanks guys. Another query...Apologies if this is a dumb question (as I suppose anything can go wrong!), but is it possible for a brand new RCBO to fail??? I was doing an auto RCD test and I couldn't reset the RCBO after the 2nd or 3rd trip. I've removed it and after awhile it can switch on, but when you turn it off again and try to switch it back on, it doesn't work.

They certainly do Nat fitted an MK Rcbo for lighting in a bathroom at my neighbours. Brand new circuit with two sealed 2d fittings all tested out ok. Had a call a few days later saying lights tripped out. Retested Rcbo and it was tripping out at less than 10mA so ended up replacing it luckily I always keep spares. Problem is all this stuff is made cheaply abroad so quality is not good. When you can buy an MK mcb for a couple of pound you know the quality cannot be as good as what it used to be. They used to cost

 

[avinalarf]

This rcbo was contactum and at

 

[batty]

This rcbo was contactum and at

 

[steptoe]

bet its only SP too.!

so why bother.????

 

[avinalarf]

Yes Steps, it is only SP. Do you recommend only using DP then? If yes, why?

Cheers

 

[rainydays]

I fit wylex all of the time and have a high failure rate. quite often the terminal screws are cross threaded aswell

 

[wozz]

I must say of the 15 Hager RCBOs i have fitted recently a few of them have had to be flicked on and off to get them tripping in the correct times. I put this down to them possibly sitting on the shelf for a while, shows the importance of testing quaterly, now whos customers do that? cos im pretty sure mine dont!

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Can't look in BRB at the moment...Can someone tell me whether I would be responsible to rectify or just note on the EIC that isolation for kitchen appliances was inaccessible?

Client had kitchen fitted in October and fitters didn't provide isolation for washing machine or dishwasher X(

Cheers

You are responsible for the work you undertake nothing else!

If you see a serious danger, it would be good practice to advise the customer, preferably in writing, ASAP.

If just a minor "could have been done better" just recomend to them before the do the next lot of redecorating in that room it may be a good idea to update the problem area.

but at the end of the day its what the customer wants to do and is willing to pay! :|

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

I fit wylex all of the time and have a high failure rate. quite often the terminal screws are cross threaded aswell

I have noticed on various brands nowadays the threads don't seem as good!