Lamp Help

[sellers]

Hi folks,

I've just bought a wake up light off ebay, Philips hf3461.

For those who don't know these lights start to warm up 30mins before you set your alarm then to full brightness by the time you want to get up.  Hopefully waking you up gradually.  Anyway it turns out its a very fussy machine.

The seller explained the original lamp was dead, so they have put another one in.  It turns out that the original recommended light is discontinued, and this lamp he has put in has put in stays on constantly and does not dim or switch off at all.

The recommeded lamp is this

http://download.p4c.philips.com/l4b/9/922800544224_eu/922800544224_eu_pss_aen.pdf  (which is discontinued)

Philips recommend this as a newer alternative

http://www.dutchwest.co.uk/Philips-EcoClassic-Dimmable-Clear-Halogen/dp/B004QDNFWC

which is what I have, albeit not a phillips.  but this doesn't work.  Many others have found this out too.

The seller is being quite unhelpful, so before I set up a dispute, I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what the first light is, surely there must be other brands still making this lamp?   I'm thinking along the lines of a sodium discharge lamp, possible a white SON-E 100w.

Does anyone know if a son lamp can be dimmed in anyway?

 

[ProDave]

the Soft Tone lamps were just an ordinary filament lamp.

So that's all you want, a plain ordinary fillament lamp.

In spite of being "banned" I have no trouble buying 60W GLS lamps around here in the local hardware shop.

 

[sellers]

I can get hold of the standard 60w and 100w lamps too.  Whats in is a filament lamp and as far as I was aware was a halagoen? which is a filament with some halogen inside.  If I put a standard lamp in it I just pressume it will just stay lit all of the time again.

 

[ParkySparky]

Unless your going to stick a 100w ballast and igniter in the fitting aswell a son lamp will not work, although it would come to full brightness gradually as it warms up lol

 

[sellers]

there well may be one in there already?  I just don't get why a filament lamp stays on all the time?  The on/off switch does work.  I may go to the wholesalers and try a son in it, see what happens.

 

[steptoe]

that lamp in your 2nd link isnt a normal filament lamp

 

[ParkySparky]

I'd bet my house there is not a high pressure sodium ballast and igniter in that fitting!!!!!

If you screw a son straight into that you'll put mains voltage direct onto the son lamp and it won't like it put it that way!

Steptoe the second link is the new 'energy saving' halogen version of the good old fashioned filament lamps isn't it?

 

[Doc Hudson]

From the Phillips spec sheet it sounds to me that it should be a standard 100w incandescent lamp. I would hazard a guess that the dimmer control circuit needs a 100watt load. Which your 70w halogen is too low. Or maybe the seller has damaged the circuit by putting an incorrect lamp load in before? 

Doc H.

http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/h/hf3461_01/hf3461_01_pss_aen.pdf

Technical specifications

• Power: 100 W

• Voltage: 230 V

• Frequency: 50 Hz

• Type of lamps: 1 Philips incandescent lamp

• Lifetime of lamps: 1000 hours (easy to replace)

 

[steptoe]

I'd bet my house there is not a high pressure sodium ballast and igniter in that fitting!!!!!

If you screw a son straight into that you'll put mains voltage direct onto the son lamp and it won't like it put it that way!

Steptoe the second link is the new 'energy saving' halogen version of the good old fashioned filament lamps isn't it?

appears to be,

and any that I have seen are complete rubbish,

Id rather have a normal filament, LED or even a CFL TBH

 

[kerching]

Philips soft one lamps were merely a poncy shaped GLS lamp

They came in equally poncy colours like Apple, Apricot/ peach

I only know because I used to sell them in my retail days

Go to your " usual suppliers" and you will stand there for twenty minutes whilst they all rush around you like headless chickens!

FFS they do my head in, I actually 'blew ' the other day and walked out as they insisted on answering the phone whilst in the middle of a conversation with me ( they were serving me at the time AND I was the only one in there! ...........and where have the old stalwart staff gone ??? )

.........just ranting

 

[steptoe]

a guy I subby to has started to use a new supplier, small place,

went in, something was a bit of hassle, I simply said

'I dont need to come here you know, if its too much trouble I can go elsewhere and simply get my own materials, Im not getting paid for you to mess me about'

the service to me has changed ever since, but I still see other guys get messed about though.

 

[sellers]

Philips soft one lamps were merely a poncy shaped GLS lamp

They came in equally poncy colours like Apple, Apricot/ peach

I only know because I used to sell them in my retail days

Go to your " usual suppliers" and you will stand there for twenty minutes whilst they all rush around you like headless chickens!

FFS they do my head in, I actually 'blew ' the other day and walked out as they insisted on answering the phone whilst in the middle of a conversation with me ( they were serving me at the time AND I was the only one in there! ...........and where have the old stalwart staff gone ??? )

.........just ranting

Don't know if you know Ian Davis (formally express elec), he's come in and shaken everything up.

Right I'll try a standard filament lamp tomorrow.  (how many electricians does it take to change a light bulb?)

 

[steptoe]

how many members are on the forum?  :slap

 

[kerching]

Don't know if you know Ian Davis (formally express elec), he's come in and shaken everything up.

Right I'll try a standard filament lamp tomorrow.  (how many electricians does it take to change a light bulb?)

Don't you think it now looks like express used to? Mmmmm I remember him from a 'life ' prior to that one

What happened to Colin?

How many electricians to change a light bulb? ONE. , he just holds it and the entire site revolves around him!

Contrary to popular belief the job does not revolve around the plasterer...even though the glorified faeces spreader may think it does

 

[ProDave]

Don't discount the possibility that the inbuilt dimmer is boogered

 

[Doc Hudson]

Don't discount the possibility that the inbuilt dimmer is boogered

Just as I also said in post#8

Doc H.

 

[kerching]

Have you asked an electrician?........just saying

Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again?

 

[sellers]

wholesaler only had 60w e27 in. That didn't work.  I think its fubared, could buy a 100watter.  But i think its going back

 

[alpha spark]

Don't you think it now looks like express used to? Mmmmm I remember him from a 'life ' prior to that one

What happened to Colin?

How many electricians to change a light bulb? ONE. , he just holds it and the entire site revolves around him!

Contrary to popular belief the job does not revolve around the plasterer...even though the glorified faeces spreader may think it does

Talking of plasterers did they go to school working wi a set of them this week they told us we had to take the lights down in some offices so we did isolated circuit took the fittings down which wasn't meant to do so we went off to do so etching else

10 mins later plasterer comes looking for us. I can't see in the rooms uve took the lights down in. Me and my mate just looked at each other shocked in the end he got his temps out of the van

 

[ProDave]

When they say "take the lights down" they mean unscrew them from the ceiling, but leave them hanging by their wires, still live and still working.

Then they will plaster around them, dropping wet plaster into the light fitting in the process.

Welcome to the real world. I'll bet they thought you were a right jobsowrth.  :innocent