Lighting problem

[Cfath]

I've recently gone to change the living room light fitting, after taking down the one that was up (which was working) and then replacing it with my new one, I can't seem to get it to work. I've tried the lamp in a fitting and it is working, so it not the lamp

ive tried putting up the old fitting and that's now not working. 

I've tested between 

live-earth 240v

neutral-earth 240v 

now I'm scratching my head not knowing what's going on?? 

I disconnected a black, blue and an earth from the old fitting..

 

[bluetobits]

Did you take a photo of the wiring before disconnecting everything? 

That "neutral to earth" reading will be switched live to earth 

 

[leesparkykent]

You have no neutral. Switch the circuit off and call an electrician.

 

[Cfath]

Did you take a photo of the wiring before disconnecting everything? 

That "neutral to earth" reading will be switched live to earth 

I've got a photo of how the wiring is now but I'm not sure how to upload it?

 

[Andy™]

reconnect the same way as the photo?

 

[M107]

But it wont help him Andy as photos is of how the wiring is now, not before the fitting was tinkered with.

Cfath are you an apprentice?

 

[Blue Duck]

you need to find the switch live...do you have a multi meter? 

 

[Evans Electric]

To post a photo you need to have 10 posts on the Forum .    Or a passing Mod might short circuit that for you .

 

[Cfath]

you need to find the switch live...do you have a multi meter? 

I do, yes

when i took down the old fitting I only removed the cables from the connecter block, one cable is black one is blue which is still in the connecter block now.

i only disconnected the fitting side of the connectors 

 

[Blue Duck]

hmm there may be more wires buried in the ceiling????

or looped at switch???

 

[Cfath]

hmm there may be more wires buried in the ceiling????

or looped at switch???

I've tried to give the cables a pull but as normal theirs no length 

as for the switch theirs just one twin red and black there

 

[Blue Duck]

sounds odd....a picture speaks a thousand words.....

and pray that some fool hasnt buried a JB up there.  ray

 

[Murdoch]

If the old light worked.... then the connections must be the same........

 

[Cfath]

sounds odd....a picture speaks a thousand words.....

and pray that some fool hasnt buried a JB up there.  ray

sounds odd....a picture speaks a thousand words.....

and pray that some fool hasnt buried a JB up there.  ray

https://ibb.co/d09DLk
https://ibb.co/bQFnfk
https://ibb.co/meKrO5
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https://ibb.co/nQ1SwQ

photos

 

[Cfath]

https://ibb.co/d09DLk
https://ibb.co/bQFnfk
https://ibb.co/meKrO5
https://ibb.co/knrhVk
https://ibb.co/nQ1SwQ

photos

Sorry won't let me upload pics because they are too big

 

[ProDave]

Last 2 pictures, there is a black hanging down going nowhere. I would have a guess it has snapped off and should be going into the "output" terminal block with the other black that is there (and blue out of the bottom)

 

[Evans Electric]

Its a right lash up TBH ,  difficult without being there ....I wondered if that twin with the new colours  Brown & Blue , is the switch drop , making the blue the switchwire to the fitting   ( Should be taped brown)  & as Dave says , the black hanging out is the neutral .

 

[steptoe]

Its a right lash up TBH ,  difficult without being there ....I wondered if that twin with the new colours  Brown & Blue , is the switch drop , making the blue the switchwire to the fitting   ( Should be taped brown)  & as Dave says , the black hanging out is the neutral .

I'd say that's about right, and, as @ProDave said, that other black is the Neutral in, 

 

[Evans Electric]

Cfath , can you put a test on the blue and get someone to switch the light switch on & off ....at least that will prove the sw/wire.

Try it using the light fitting as a test lamp  between blue & earth first ...then try it on that hanging black.      (Don't leave it like that though)

And just to cover our ***** ....make sure you are working DEAD when swapping wires about .

 

[Doc Hudson]

After seeing some of those pictures I would say that connecting the new light up is only part of the problem. The whole of that arrangement needs re terminating in a more appropriate manner to bring compliance with BS7671 wiring regulations. A competent electrician with a suitable test meter would probably sort this all out in less than half an hour. Which may be a cheaper and safer method overall.

Doc H.