LOOK HERE I AM SHOUTING OFF.

[Manator]

Right as a mod I am supposed to take a balanced un biased veiw of all posts, I like to think that I do this to an extent, however I am a working practiceing electrician, I am gobsmacked by some posts which show a severe lack of knowledge, and leads me to suspect that the questions raised are those of severly challenged back door electricians, I would urge all posters to post in the correct forum catagory,if you post a question in general or elactricians talk I have to assume you know what your talking about, and if we see your grasping at straws your going to receive some abrupt answers. If your inexeperianced then let us know, there is nothing shamefull in that, we all had to learn,indeed I am still learning.

Basic questions are often asked, and argument is followed due to the fact that the op is often misguided into thinking that because an exam has been passed they are now a fully fledged electrician. Its a load of bull. being an electrician is all about being able to take advise from peers and subordinates alike.

 

[lkayelectrical]

Fair enough but some people / most people don't know every reg back to front and some times like to check up on or confirm, more often or not it's in a area where they have less experience ie domestic people in commercial areas and vica Verca

 

[kerching]

My 2 p worth..............I have been doing the job for 35 + years. Every day is a learning day

I am qualified in Telecomms, Data, Cable jointing, [used to be HV Switching authorised many years ago], NICEIC AC, Fibre Optics etc etc . Almost everyday I learn something new [or re-remember something from Eons ago]

As for the Regs, yes I know them [i have to] BUT I only retain the ones that I need....ie I have no interest in Medical Locations, Fairgrounds, Public Highways etc. If I need it I will re-read it. As for knowing the numbers....as soon as I learn them they change :innocent

I am the same with Product part numbers, seriously!

MK2747

MK3871 [bet you don't know what that is??]

Mita MMB 251, 252, 252s

JB 201, 301,401,601

MCBS etc

Why fill your head with dross.........................sorry, rant finishes, just my 0.01 Euros worth....... :coat

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

My 2 p worth..............I have been doing the job for 35 + years. Every day is a learning dayI am qualified in Telecomms, Data, Cable jointing, [used to be HV Switching authorised many years ago], NICEIC AC, Fibre Optics etc etc . Almost everyday I learn something new [or re-remember something from Eons ago]

As for the Regs, yes I know them [i have to] BUT I only retain the ones that I need....ie I have no interest in Medical Locations, Fairgrounds, Public Highways etc. If I need it I will re-read it. As for knowing the numbers....as soon as I learn them they change :innocent

I am the same with Product part numbers, seriously!

MK2747

MK3871 [bet you don't know what that is??]

Mita MMB 251, 252, 252s

JB 201, 301,401,601

MCBS etc

Why fill your head with dross.........................sorry, rant finishes, just my 0.01 Euros worth....... :coat

I must be the same age as you and also know all those MK numbers. I also know exactly where to touch my shoulder to mark the centre of an old light switch at 54 1/2 inches.

 

[kerching]

I must be the same age as you and also know all those MK numbers. I also know exactly where to touch my shoulder to mark the centre of an old light switch at 54 1/2 inches.

Snap!

MK Flange boxes before dry liners

Pyro wedge pots

Star drills

Duriums

RUBBER grommets

AlEx Plugs

Asbestos cement plugs

perforated copper earth strips

2BA and 4BA

Blakc plugs , not these poncy art farty southern red plugs

Brass domeheads

Black Jap screws

3/.029 etc

hand ****ed megger

Actually being afraid of the NICEIC man or Leccy board meter man!!!

Must go as my carer has liquidised my supper for me.................. :coat

 

[sprocketflup]

I also know exactly where to touch my shoulder to mark the centre of an old light switch at 54 1/2 inches.

????

cmon share the wealth fellas, what was all that about? In modern terms please, none of this pounds shillings and pence nonsense :^O

 

[septiclecky]

????cmon share the wealth fellas, what was all that about? In modern terms please, none of this pounds shillings and pence nonsense :^O

Their that old they probibly remeber when Denaris and Sestirses where used as coins:innocent

 

[steptoe]

I must be the same age as you and also know all those MK numbers. I also know exactly where to touch my shoulder to mark the centre of an old light switch at 54 1/2 inches.

I know, me me me me, please sir!

it was proper in those days, socket a foot up, light switch at your shoulder, jobs a good'un,

 

[kerching]

I know, me me me me, please sir!it was proper in those days, socket a foot up, light switch at your shoulder, jobs a good'un,

OOOp here it was measured in the old internattional system of measurement.....A hammer! So socket [on new work] was 1 hammer length +/- whatever it took to make the box fit on one side of a mortar joint. Clips were also spaced in multiples of hammer lengths.

Who remembers how high sinks were mounted before pedestals were more common place???.................. :coat

 

[steptoe]

Who remembers how high sinks were mounted before pedestals were more common place???.

tip-toes for a toilet!

a clip a hammer, sounds about right.

 

[Sidewinder]

I still do a clip per hammer!

 

[ProDave]

I still do a clip per hammer!

+1

Saves carrying two tools up a ladder

 

[kerching]

Who remembers how high sinks were mounted before pedestals were more common place???.tip-toes for a toilet!

a clip a hammer, sounds about right.

we had an old plumber around these parts...as round as he was tall....looked like he had been dropped!

Go into the old properties and you can tell straight aay which ones 'Old Johhny R. ' had plumbed................ :coat

 

[philbas]

This is something that anooys me a lot.

If in MY house that I purchased with MY money, I want to be able to to put MY sockets and MY switches at a height that suits ME, why cant I.

If they are safe what's the problem, If ten years later it is purchased by people of small or large stature, that is not my problem. up to them to sort it.

 

[steptoe]

Philbas,

who is ever going to know?????

 

[philbas]

Philbas,who is ever going to know?????

this a bit personnal, i have a step daughter that is in a wheelchair, she does not want lights that high, she has to ask the kids to swich them out, she cant reach.

the rules should be made to adapat to the situation, not a one size meets all.

 

[steptoe]

philbas, that is the very reason these regulations are in force,

the measurements are a minimum and maximum ,

accessories should be between 450mm min and 1200 maximum, its not a strict measurement,

you could put all your accessories at 1000mm, thats what I do in old folks houses etc,

the idea of 450 min was so a wheelchair user 'should' still be able to reach down to switch off, but personally I do all at 1m in situations like this, unless I get talking to the client and get a more definitive height from them.

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BTW. I meant who is ever going to know that you had put them at a different height than what was stated in the regs.

 

[ProDave]

BTW. I meant who is ever going to know that you had put them at a different height than what was stated in the regs.

The min and max height is a building regulation, not a wiring regulation.

So on a new build or an extension, you need to stick within the limits, otherwise your building inspector could fail it and refuse to issue a completion certificate if they are too high or too low.

If it's not a job that comes under building control then you can please yourself.

Also dedicated sockets and switches for certain functions can be outside those limits. I frequently put sockets that are "too high" to power flat panel tv's hung on the wall. But because it's for a specific dedicated function, it would be okay even if the job fell under building control.

 

[sprocketflup]

I still do a clip per hammer!

theyre still teaching that method in college, well they did in my college anyways. Lecturer was an old lad tho, so maybe thats why.

 

[Manator]

I still have to wire controls at an height of 1400mm FFFL, and have to write this as a devaition on the certificates, there is no compromise as they are vital control units, however I have for a long time told them that they are in breech of equal oppertunitiy laws for employment.