NICEIC & the 17th Ed.

[NozSpark]

I've just been reading my Connections mag; and it seems that those who haven't done the 17th Ed or update course (me Inc..) will have to have done it by the end of the year!!

 

[Apache]

Seems fair! You've had over 2 years to prepare.

If you're work is to the regs you should pass easily!

:|

 

[NozSpark]

Not a problem for me...

Just NFI at up to now + finding a local colledge that does it!

 

[Stevie h]

Not a problem for me...Just NFI at up to now + finding a local colledge that does it!

there are a few place in Liverpool if you can't find anythin closer to you

 

[NozSpark]

TBH I am looking for something a little closer!

and possibly one that will allow me to do the update exam only!!

 

[Evans Electric]

I have to do the same , been told the blackmail fee is

 

[Stevie h]

No probs , if you get stuck there's this place which do a 1 day update courses before the exam , or you can just book for the exam only

http://www.hybridtec.co.uk/?gclid=CP_J6oberJ8CFRlBlAodDQjW1g

Ste

 

[Apache]

No probs , if you get stuck there's this place which do a 1 day update courses before the exam , or you can just book for the exam onlyhttp://www.hybridtec.co.uk/?gclid=CP_J6oberJ8CFRlBlAodDQjW1g

Ste

Do you know how much it costs?

 

[Stevie h]

Not sure , but can find out , they help you get funding for 50% of the cost if your self employed. I am in the process of getting details on doing my gas quals with them , so will find out how much the 17th edition 1 day update course is, I did my 16th will them some years ago, good guys , really know there stuff.

Ste

 

[spinlondon]

If you you have a current JIB Gold card, you can do the exam only, through the ECA for

 

[bengie]

we did a course that lasted 5 full days(8am-5pm) with the exam being at the end of the 5th day where they went over pretty much every change in the book and tbh we found fairly tough going, we were all more tired than spending a day at work! maybe they pushed us on purpose as everyone passed first time apart from 1(a guy in his late 50's that has been an electrician from school) and most of us got 98-100% on the exam.

the guys that ran our course really did know the bs7671 inside and out but sadly as it was organised by work i don't know who it was or what it cost, sorry.

 

[m4tty]

I have to do the same , been told the blackmail fee is

 

[spinlondon]

Part P membership means that you can do notifyable work for a customer, and they do not have to notify Building Control, and pay the notification fee.

In effect, you as the electrician are splashing out so the public who this Part P is supposed to protect, don't have to.

Who actually benefits from Part P?

Not the government.

Any registration fees go to the Scheme provider.

Not the local Council, although they will charge a fee for the notification, often the fees don't cover the additional work that Part P has introduced overall, and as most local Councils don't employ qualified inspectors, the fees often get passed on to a third party.

Not the general public.

We now have Part P registered electricians doing substandard work without any effective regulation.

Not the electricians.

Registered electricians are being under cut by other registered electricians, who do substandard work, and by unregistered electricians who may or may not do substandard work.

Part P can only work, if it is effectivly regulated.

The only people who can report shoddy work, are the customers, who won't even know the work is shoddy, or can't be bothered with the rigmarole. Even if a report is made, what happens? Not a lot from what I can see.

 

[bengie]

^i agree entirely, as far as i can tell the only people that actually gain from part P are the scheme providers, according to colleagues who are personally registered the providers do very little and in fact once registered with them for a couple of years they don't always bother doing an inspections

proper electricians don't gain, customers don't gain. all it seems to have done is make life more expensive and difficult for people trying to follow the rules and customers and made it possible for people to call themselves electricians and provide documentation to customers who knowing very little think they are fully legit

 

[Lurch]

Can you still carry on working as normal without the Part P Scheme membership as I seen on quite a few forums on the internet that a lot of sparks are not bothering with Part P anymore as its not enforced properly and many people are getting pee'd off with it and lapsing membership. Im hoping to start sparking this year when it picks up and wondering whether P membership is essential.

I never bothered with it in the first place, it looked like a bad idea rushed through for the wrong reasons so I held back. It actually turned out to be a bigger disaster than I was expecting, so I'm still unlikely to be joining any schemes just for part p compliance. The only reason I would join a scheme is because some of the jobs are commercial and occasionally call for NICEIC registered contractors when sending the tenders out. I hate domestic work anyway, too many charlatans in the game now.

 

[batty]

I have to do the same , been told the blackmail fee is

 

[ianmacd]

My local technical college isnt doing 2382 as a night course but as a 4 dayer costing

 

[kme]

I paid

 

[L-E_Fault]

If you have the 16th then you only need to do the update course. Cheaper and shorter in duration.

 

[batty]

If you have the 16th then you only need to do the update course. Cheaper and shorter in duration.

Only if you did it after a certain date though not sure what the date is. I had to do full course which was 10 weeks evenings.