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If the client has applied for building regs approval then this would normally include the electrics as well. It may be possible to exclude electrics but I doubt this would make any difference to the building control fee.
The council I have experience with uses a local contractor to inspect after first fix and then test after second fix. They issue an electrical cert to the council. In due course the council issues a completion notice to the householder. This will cover all the works, including the electrics. In this situation, the electrician must work to a good standard but does not need to issue any paperwork under Part P or be registered with a scheme.
As an alternative to applying for building regs approval, Part P allows for a registered electrician to inspect his own work. At the end of the job he will issue an EIC to the householder and then use his scheme provider to notify building control.
If you are have applied for building reg approval then there is nothing to stop a Part P registered electrician from self certifying his own work. It just means paying the electrician for something that the council has already been paid to do.
If you would like your local building control to check the electrics then you should tell them ASAP and check what their procedures are. I suppose it is possible though that they may have expected this to have been agreed at the time of the original application.
The council I have experience with uses a local contractor to inspect after first fix and then test after second fix. They issue an electrical cert to the council. In due course the council issues a completion notice to the householder. This will cover all the works, including the electrics. In this situation, the electrician must work to a good standard but does not need to issue any paperwork under Part P or be registered with a scheme.
As an alternative to applying for building regs approval, Part P allows for a registered electrician to inspect his own work. At the end of the job he will issue an EIC to the householder and then use his scheme provider to notify building control.
If you are have applied for building reg approval then there is nothing to stop a Part P registered electrician from self certifying his own work. It just means paying the electrician for something that the council has already been paid to do.
If you would like your local building control to check the electrics then you should tell them ASAP and check what their procedures are. I suppose it is possible though that they may have expected this to have been agreed at the time of the original application.
Birmingham BC have no interest in the electrics other than taking a photocopy of your EIC at the end of job. AFAIK they don't include a charge for inspecting electrics.
My understanding is that if you pay the set fee for building reg approval then the local building control is obliged to inspect all the works at their own expense. I don't think that they are allowed to charge extra for electrics or to refuse to inspect them.
If you self certify though, they will only be interested in having something to put in the file.
If you self certify though, they will only be interested in having something to put in the file.
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Right..
heres my fourpenny worth on this one.
I will just add at this point here I have just completed some electrics on a building extension for a builder..
(Thats were me dodgy socket in the black museum was taken at)
Anyway there are a few bits of paper that have to be transfered between various persons..
and there are various ways it can be done all quite legitimate and above board..
Some ways are just easier and less hassle all round for everyone. so consider the options with the various persons....
Mr 'A' the LABC building inspector:
he has to tick some boxes to verify all is hunky dory with the building works,
If you make more work for them to do..
They can get a bit more picky and arsy with the builder and associated tradespersons insisting more works is done to a higher standard or similar.
If they know someone else is going to carry the can for the electrics..
all he needs is to see or have a copy of a certificate with a registered sparks name & reg number on it. Then he can tick that box and get on with more pleasurable things for his own benefit.. (happy LABC inspector!)
Mr 'B' the Builder:
Bottom line is he has got to construct something and get it all finally passed by the LA building Inspector so he can get his final money off the customer.
If the builder has a good reputation with the LABC, and can give copies of all relevant electric, heating, gas, structural support certificates etc..
Builders life runs smoother and easier with inspection visits.
So if builder has a copy of fully signed EIC he can give to Building inspector on the final inspection all is easy and simples.. everyone happy!
Mr 'C' the electrician:
If you can keep life a simple and easy for the builder as possible you will get more work from that builder.
So if you provide all the necessary certs for him to give to LABC inspector he's happy.
Also when your annual inspection comes around they will be expecting to see evidence of some notified work from jobs done over the past months. So you notifying the works provided extra back up of your work.
So personally I just do the work
notify it as normal, Via Nic
Give customer original certs, all the work and the bits are what they are paying for anyway!
Give builder a photo copy of those certificates..
that he can then give to the Building inspector when he comes to finally look at the job.
everyones happy..
No probelms...
safedepth
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Cheers Specloc,Right..heres my fourpenny worth on this one.
I will just add at this point here I have just completed some electrics on a building extension for a builder..
(Thats were me dodgy socket in the black museum was taken at)
Anyway there are a few bits of paper that have to be transfered between various persons..
and there are various ways it can be done all quite legitimate and above board..
Some ways are just easier and less hassle all round for everyone. so consider the options with the various persons....
Mr 'A' the LABC building inspector:
he has to tick some boxes to verify all is hunky dory with the building works,
If you make more work for them to do..
They can get a bit more picky and arsy with the builder and associated tradespersons insisting more works is done to a higher standard or similar.
If they know someone else is going to carry the can for the electrics..
all he needs is to see or have a copy of a certificate with a registered sparks name & reg number on it. Then he can tick that box and get on with more pleasurable things for his own benefit.. (happy LABC inspector!)
Mr 'B' the Builder:
Bottom line is he has got to construct something and get it all finally passed by the LA building Inspector so he can get his final money off the customer.
If the builder has a good reputation with the LABC, and can give copies of all relevant electric, heating, gas, structural support certificates etc..
Builders life runs smoother and easier with inspection visits.
So if builder has a copy of fully signed EIC he can give to Building inspector on the final inspection all is easy and simples.. everyone happy!
Mr 'C' the electrician:
If you can keep life a simple and easy for the builder as possible you will get more work from that builder.
So if you provide all the necessary certs for him to give to LABC inspector he's happy.
Also when your annual inspection comes around they will be expecting to see evidence of some notified work from jobs done over the past months. So you notifying the works provided extra back up of your work.
So personally I just do the work
notify it as normal, Via Nic
Give customer original certs, all the work and the bits are what they are paying for anyway!
Give builder a photo copy of those certificates..
that he can then give to the Building inspector when he comes to finally look at the job.
everyones happy..
No probelms...
It has never been my intention to off load the inspection, test and certificate issuing.
All along my query has been based on the notification issue not the the certification.
On a "normal" job, that was notifiable, i.e. new outside light we would inspect, test and issue cert's then inform our scam providers who would inform BC thast NOTIFIABLE work was conducted, between them they would issue notice to home owner that they had the work and all is well, however if that job were NOT NOTIFIABLE, i.e. new socket on existing ring in living room, we would still inspect, test and issue cert's.
The job I'm referring to in the OP IS NOTIFIABLE but BC has already been notified via the Building regs approval request after planning permission was gained. I will still inspect, test and issue cert's on completion but wasn't sure if I needed to notify again. Easy answer of course would be to speak with the LABC offices.
Thanks to everyone for their input on this one.
Fitz
At the end of the job, building control will issue a completion notice to certify that all the work meets their regs. This will only include the electrics if they have been responsible for testing and inspecting the electrics. If they leave all the testing to you as the electrician, then you will be responsible for certifying that the electrics meet the building regs. You will do this by notifying the job through your scheme provider.
If you do ask the council to inspect and sign off the electrics then you can still test it yourself and issue an EIC to the customer.
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