Periodic

[Rob69]

Hi All,

I have got to do a periodic inspection for a customer , which has been asked for by her letting agent.

I am not with anyone like NICEIC or ELECSA!!!!!!!!!!!

On completion of the inspection do i then issue copies to the customer , one to be left at the address of the work and one copy for myself?

Is thier anybody else i need to send one too??? And does the local building control need to be informed???????

FULL DETAILS WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!

Thanks Rob

 

[Theorysparky]

Rob

Dont need to be with a scam for a PIR

do the work send a copy to the customer

give a copy to the letting agent

keep a copy for yourself

Building control do not need to be told

for a rental property i tend to include the state of smoke alarms if they are not mains powered,,,,,

after what happened in Norwich to a tenant recently its only one line on the report

 

[septiclecky]

RobDont need to be with a scam for a PIR

do the work send a copy to the customer

give a copy to the letting agent

keep a copy for yourself

Building control do not need to be told

for a rental property i tend to include the state of smoke alarms if they are not mains powered,,,,,

after what happened in Norwich to a tenant recently its only one line on the report

What did you do wrong:run

 

[Theorysparky]

It wasnt me !!!!!!!

tenant received 80% burns because the smoke alarms didnt work in the flat she was in

Landlord got 5 years i think

 

[PC Electrics]

It wasnt me !!!!!!!tenant received 80% burns because the smoke alarms didnt work in the flat she was in

Landlord got 5 years i think

Got a link to the news item?

 

[ProDave]

for a rental property i tend to include the state of smoke alarms if they are not mains powered,,,,, after what happened in Norwich to a tenant recently its only one line on the report

I did a periodic this week for a property about to be rented.

The two mains powered smoke alarms had been removed while the ceilings were being painted so were not there for the test.

I think I covered myself by making an observation that they were missing, and they should be replaced and tested before the property was let.

 

[PC Electrics]

Found one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275120/Barmaid-tells-story-incredible-recovery-critical-burns-given-just-1-chance-survival.html

and this from the HSE

http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2010/coi-e-05.htm

 

[ElectekAir]

I would check with the pearson paying the bill before you do any work and tell them that you dont have a scam provider

I have done this before then issued a green cert and the customers insurance company (which was the reason for the test) refused it:_|

So i did not get paid:red card

 

[initforthemoney]

You dont need to be qualified to do PIR's or installation work.

 

[Sidewinder]

However, the customer can require whatever they like and if they put it in the contract and you don't comply they don't have to pay!

Like or lump it!

Not saying it's right, but it can be done.

Paul

 

[a1spark]

Rob.

2 copies required to be issued..

1. your Copy

2. The Original to the person ordering the work..i.e. in your case

your customer...any further copies are down to your customer to

distribute if and when required.

I would recommend that you inform your customer that you are not

NICEIC {etc} Registered cos it may return to bite you if you dont !

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

You don't need to be qualified to do PIR's or installation work.

looks like more half truths are drifting in from the land of vague answers:|

Any person carrying out a PIR would find it difficult to prove they are competent if you have no qualifications...

Especially as the recognised industry standard guidance suggest a person carrying out PIR's should be competent..

i.e. paragraph 1.2 page 14 of Guidance Note 3 Inspection & testing...

"Sound knowledge and experience relevant to the nature of the installation being inspected and tested"..

Also I am guessing they may find it hard to get any Professional Indemnity insurance, or make a claim on any such insurance to cover their rear ends in the event of serious problems resulting from the guidance and advice you gave on a PIR.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Hi All,I have got to do a periodic inspection for a customer , which has been asked for by her letting agent.

I am not with anyone like NICEIC or ELECSA!!!!!!!!!!!

On completion of the inspection do i then issue copies to the customer , one to be left at the address of the work and one copy for myself?

Is their anybody else i need to send one too??? And does the local building control need to be informed???????

FULL DETAILS WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!

Thanks Rob

Bottom line...

No different from any other electrical work

e.g.

Someone asks you to do some work.. (installation or alteration or pir)

You agree a price

You do the work

You issue the appropriate certificate to the person ordering the work.

(if they have requested any duplicates copy & send those as appropriate as well!)

Approved document P applies to the design & installation of electrical installation in dwellings...

As there is NO new installation work in progress or any building works..

A PIR does not come under any part of Building regulations Part-P!

As I mentioned on t-other post...

You may want to ensure you have Professional Indemnity Insurance to cover your botty in the event of problems on circuits that you said were safe!

:|

 

[jl-heating]

as above a pir is your opinion only so qualifications needed.

indemnity insurace is advised but not compulsary.

if u did have insurance they would not pay out anyway because your not deemed competant . as usuall its the chicken and the egg.

what i would be thinking is are you experienced enough to do a pir? do have the equipment to do the tests req and is it in calibration etc.? if there is a problem do you have the knowledge to put it right and also know how to code correctly etc etc.

periodics are fine in a new property were no alterations have been done andits a good quality install. try and do a 100 year old terrace house with out side lighting out of the back of sockets and figure 8`s in the conservatory twin to the shed and SO`s at the bottom of the garden for the hot tub .

ooohhh scarey .

 

[sparkytim]

It wasnt me !!!!!!!tenant received 80% burns because the smoke alarms didnt work in the flat she was in

Landlord got 5 years i think

, Two and half years, to be reviewed IF he pays

 

[initforthemoney]

looks like more half truths are drifting in from the land of vague answers:|

Not really.

What i stated is correct.

But yes, insurances are required, however, the OP was not asking about that.

 

[steptoe]

I would check with the pearson paying the bill before you do any work and tell them that you dont have a scam providerI have done this before then issued a green cert and the customers insurance company (which was the reason for the test) refused it:_|

So i did not get paid:red card

I always get payment before I issue a cert.

However, the customer can require whatever they like and if they put it in the contract and you don't comply they don't have to pay!Like or lump it!

Not saying it's right, but it can be done.

Paul

the payer calls the tune so to speak

Not really.What i stated is correct.

But yes, insurances are required, however, the OP was not asking about that.

are NOT required, but most definately recommended.

COMPETENCE ,

and the ability to prove it is required though.

 

[Sidewinder]

Steps,

I "seem" to recall something in the BBB or the BRB about not being allowed to withold certs until invoices are paid.

If you did it would be "against" the regs.

Late now and things going on, BRB in the back of the van and all the usual excuses!

Anyone know of this/can quote reg?

Paul

 

[wozz]

i know if you tell your scheme provider you are with holding certs they say its unlawful and tell you to issue them and persue your money with other means! big help.

 

[initforthemoney]

Iare NOT required, but most definately recommended.COMPETENCE ,

and the ability to prove it is required though.

They are required by most persons ordering the work.

Competence is another thing altogether.

There are many, many ways to prove this, however, if you have insurance, most will not even think about competence.