Quiz-type question

[steptoe]

:slap

 

[kme]

You`re NOT scared of falling off. If you`re closer than 800mm to the edge, you`re wearing fall restraint, like a good boy

And you`ve got one of those self-inflating, waistcoat things that cushion impacts. H&S, don`tcha know.

 

[steptoe]

if your not living on the edge then you are taking up too much room!!!!!!!!

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You`re NOT scared of falling off. If you`re closer than 800mm to the edge, you`re wearing fall restraint, like a good boy And you`ve got one of those self-inflating, waistcoat things that cushion impacts. H&S, don`tcha know.

tied to what exactly?

 

[kme]

Chimney, you wazz.

If they don`t have one, use the nearest available skyhook, that has been tested as suitable for your body weight x 1.215 (allows for food & tools in workbelt).

You HAVE to be attached to summat mate - its the law. The height police come & nick you if you don`t comply.

 

[steptoe]

Chimney, you wazz.If they don`t have one, use the nearest available skyhook, that has been tested as suitable for your body weight x 1.215 (allows for food & tools in workbelt).

You HAVE to be attached to summat mate - its the law. The height police come & nick you if you don`t comply.

I could harness onto a nearby tile then I suppose, :|

so do scaffolders have an exemption then I take it.

 

[kme]

Scaffolders are like politicians.......Full of so much hot air - they float on their own mate.

"attach to a tile"? Has the tile been load-tested then?

 

[steptoe]

have you ever heard the saying,

" man cannot live on beer alone " ?

try me..... :|

 

[jvsolar]

Minimum of 200mm gap is required otherwise you need to apply for planning permission - Source: Colin Brayshaw, Electron Training

 

[kme]

Seems like there may NOT be a "standard" rule then..........

 

[Riggerman]

" Was your course Free"?..No i dont think so!..No matter what corner you turn now you will find courses being offered with the paperwork to 'credit' you as a competent installer. I'm no electrician, I have been installing TV Aerials since 1977 and spent most of my working life running up and down roofs but, i know naff all about roofs..I have installed tile mounted bracketry on numerous occasions and have to concider wind loading factors. I recently sent one of my engineers on a Solar installation course being offered by one of my wholesalers. I was able to observe part his course as he was instructed through the day.

I have come to a worrying conclusion that our weather patterns are going to sort out the competent installers who will use good installation practice combined with common sense and a knowledge of just how dangerous it can be fixing windbreakers on roofs. We shall be shelving the idea and will stick to what we know best. I don't disagree with tradesmen who want to diversify into Solar, but while there is a demand on installs and a shortage of installers you will find a 'Fast Track' industry created willing to ''Train'' anyone with the course fee at the ready. I hope organisations such as the NIC will concider this and put some of their weight behind it and along with major insurance companies and government bodies will upskill time served professionals Solar panel installations is best left to the Electrical industry and should be honed into a specialist sector. I spent

 

[kme]

I seem to recall saying something similar when I came back from the (NICEIC) course! It`s like the part p training mate - get the money off `em, and tell em they`re magically turned into electricians. None of `em have realised the spell wears off when you walk out of the building........silly pumpkins.

 

[philbas]

OK here is another question

From the Logic Certification exam.

I hold my hand up and say I got it wrong

As a solar PV installer which of the following are you NOT concerned with?

a) How is the customer going to pay for it?

B) In what direction is the roof faceing?

c) What is the inclination of the roof?

d) How much insulation is in the loft?

The correct answer will be posted soon, after you have all had a go at it.

 

[kme]

You would HAVE to know 2 of `em, before you could provide the projections of generation.

Of the other 2....

Depends how you look at it -

On one hand, as with anything else, how someone wants to pay for it isn`t your concern - as long as you believe they CAN and WILL.

I was going to choose the other one; but it could have a bearing, IMO - so i`m saying a.

KME

 

[philbas]

I went for that as well, following the same logic.

The "correct" answer was d)

As an installer payment is not my problem thats up to the salesman.

Insulation is my problem, derating factors anyone.

 

[steptoe]

I havent got any cables in the loft. so insulation isnt an issue to me

 

[Sidewinder]

KME, philbas,

I believe that you are both correct Sirs.

Payment is not your concern as the installer, "especially" if you are "employed".

I feel that this is an unsound question and you are both correct with your answers.

An email to the examining body would be a good option, explaining the situation!

Just shows really how wrong these things are!

In my 17th Exam (1st one run at local college) there was an unsound question, one lecturer "got it" (KME - TJ) one did not, (KME our "favourite" to argue with!)

 

[Riggerman]

I would of said none of them is your concern if the survey was done by a competent salesman/surveyor and all of them if you were the sole contractor for the job?

 

[kme]

I agree with the above comments; yet stick by what I said about the first option...

HOW anyone intends to pay is of no concern to anyone but them. That they CAN, and intend to, are your only considerations.

I`m also with Albert - if you come down the outside of the property in conduit, for instance, why would you care about insulation.

Even if you ARE running cables in the loft - you`d put them away from the insulation, wouldn`t you? Ergo the depth of said insulation is irrespective.

 

[Riggerman]

It's like asking a child to 'Stand Still and Come Here'. A,B,C,D,E questions should be shelved and most lecturers would agree. Explanations for your answers are relevent to an assesment of your competence. Answers: A,B,C,D,E, Other- Explain.

I wonder how many would pass and how many would be 'Sectioned' under MHA 1993. ROTFWL .

Lessons will be learnt

 

[binky]

I've seen syllabus for several short/cheap/free courses, and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. My own course was a full week, and only now after 15 installs do i feel Iam becoming vaguley competent with roofs, hence I still use a roofer, though I had to twist his arm into using bigger screws. He prefers several small screws, I prefer the big schuco screws which cut into wood without splitting rafters (v similar to turbo-ultras we were using anyway). Just for the record, I could swing off the roof brackets fitted with the smaller screws, and I weigh 14.5 stone. Nothing like a bit of real world testing!!